"Restorative justice"

[Akzle]

Hmmm'stole that phone got away with it...........hmmm stole that car got away with it........hmmm embezzled that money got away with it..........hmmm what's next?

...politics.
scam everyone.

[98tls]

...politics.
scam everyone.

In this countrysurely not.

[Edbear]

This, sadly, is a regretably common attitude, where picking up a dropped item becomes a "score". Why is it different to "finding" a motorcycle in a carpark? It is not your property, what gives you the right to take it and keep it, and claim that it's not theft?

The key issue here (as mentioned above) is that the victim approached the caretaker, and asked if a phone had been found - the caretaker said no, despite having it. At that point, it was theft - pure and simple. Theft by someone actually employed to protect the victim, and carried out during the course of his duties.

Yup!

Jeez man, that was a well considered and articulate response to my comments. You'll never fit in here at KiwiBiker. Next time try a bit of personal abuse, preferably with some 4 letter words, a reference to my mother's sexual habits and at least one reference to Hitler if you want to fit in.

It really came through that way too. In my job in HR you do sometimes get people who despite being in the right don't do themselves any favours by being belligerently self righteous. On the other hand, I know when a principal is involved the heart can overule the head.

All the best for the future anyway and I hope it all works out for you.

+1!

But, yeah, appreciate the clarifying post. Hope you get justice. Said he hopefully...

[cskadizzy]

It really came through that way too. In my job in HR you do sometimes get people who despite being in the right don't do themselves any favours by being belligerently self righteous. On the other hand, I know when a principal is involved the heart can overule the head.

All the best for the future anyway and I hope it all works out for you.

Bear in mind the blog was written on 3rd March. This was after all of this had gone down and my withdrawal had gone in. I actually ran the emails to Rainsforth Dix through my partner first to make sure I wasn't coming across as anything other than someone with an opinion and a vested interest. Reading them now, I don't think they sound belligerent; I'm more of the opinion that Dix's reaction was always going to be take it or leave it.

Looking at her history though, it doesn't take much for her to get a stick up her arse about things. She doesn't have a good history with students or people who complain to her. I think she was just a little insulted that I didn't jump at the chance of getting $20 from Arana.

We'll see what happens. I either have a career here, or I've fucked it. NZ gets one less caretaker, or one less PhD and one less lawyer (don't think anyone would be too sad about that though).

Thanks for reading, everyone, anyway.

[Banditbandit]

I read this thread thinking that from the title it was going to be the one example of restorative justice that actually worked. Restorative justice is no justice at all. People need to know that they are aren't entitled to take whatever the fuck they want. Whether that be a phone or a vagina.

Restorative imo would be at least, replacement of the phone to the equivalent spec of the current model and payment of the charges relative to the plan the guy had for the next how ever many months. Fat Chance.

I'm not one to get into the whole debate about rehabilitation Vs retribution. The consequences should just be such that the offender respects others' rights in future.

Yes - I agree .. and what the uni did is not what I would call "restorative justice" at all. In any restorative process that ahs any chance of workign the victim has to agree .. and in this case they did not .. so the uni should have dropped the restorative justice approach instead of proceeding and producing this piece of bullshit .. that effectively lets the perp off with no consequences.

How was anything "restored" here???

[Banditbandit]

it's definitely restored my belief that your society is fucked and getting fuckeder.

have fun with that...

What's this "your society" crap??? Isn't it time you dropepd the bullshit outsider stance and either admit that you're part of our society or stop using our electricity to post your bullshit on our interdweb.

[Grubber]

I was in the process of employing a couple of new drivers a few weeks ago.
We had a guy come in with tons of promise and gave him a trial on the basis that his medical and drugs test all came back clean.
He didn't do his drug test on the day of appointment and said he was worried cause he had a joint a couple of weeks back.
So i asked him his level of use and he replied with "hardly ever just the odd weekend,".
So we decided to give him a second chance and allowed him a week to clear his system so as to get a clean test.
Once done we sent him back in for another test on a Monday and low and behold he decided he wanted different type of work all of a sudden.
So he moved onto another company driving trucks (thought he wanted to do different type of work, ODD!)
Got a phone call from the company asking of his back ground, of coarse after the discussion they decided to take him in for drug test, no getting out of this one as they were near enough to holding his hand.
You guessed it, he failed miserably and i believe he is struggling to gain employment anywhere. The transport industry network is spread far and wide.
so as far as giving 2nd chances, F***k that again!

[Banditbandit]

I was in the process of employing a couple of new drivers a few weeks ago.
We had a guy come in with tons of promise and gave him a trial on the basis that his medical and drugs test all came back clean.
He didn't do his drug test on the day of appointment and said he was worried cause he had a joint a couple of weeks back.
So i asked him his level of use and he replied with "hardly ever just the odd weekend,".
So we decided to give him a second chance and allowed him a week to clear his system so as to get a clean test.
Once done we sent him back in for another test on a Monday and low and behold he decided he wanted different type of work all of a sudden.
So he moved onto another company driving trucks (thought he wanted to do different type of work, ODD!)
Got a phone call from the company asking of his back ground, of coarse after the discussion they decided to take him in for drug test, no getting out of this one as they were near enough to holding his hand.
You guessed it, he failed miserably and i believe he is struggling to gain employment anywhere. The transport industry network is spread far and wide.
so as far as giving 2nd chances, F***k that again!

Not surprisingly ... but cannabis can be detected up to three months after the last use .. (that's a can be ... and not a will be ... depends on the person etc etc )

So the drug testing for work is actually quite hard on someone who smokes .. even occassionally and only at weekends ... if you want to pass the tests and continue to pass the tests the answer is don't smoke at all ...

[Akzle]

What's this "your society" crap??? Isn't it time you dropepd the bullshit outsider stance and either admit that you're part of our society or stop using our electricity to post your bullshit on our interdweb.

your electricity eh? is that the sunlight you're claiming, or the car batteries under my bunk?


either way, go fuck yourself.

[Akzle]

I was in the process of employing a couple of new drivers a few weeks ago.
We had a guy come in with tons of promise and gave him a trial on the basis that his medical and drugs test all came back clean.
He didn't do his drug test on the day of appointment and said he was worried cause he had a joint a couple of weeks back.
So i asked him his level of use and he replied with "hardly ever just the odd weekend,".
So we decided to give him a second chance and allowed him a week to clear his system so as to get a clean test.
Once done we sent him back in for another test on a Monday and low and behold he decided he wanted different type of work all of a sudden.
So he moved onto another company driving trucks (thought he wanted to do different type of work, ODD!)
Got a phone call from the company asking of his back ground, of coarse after the discussion they decided to take him in for drug test, no getting out of this one as they were near enough to holding his hand.
You guessed it, he failed miserably and i believe he is struggling to gain employment anywhere. The transport industry network is spread far and wide.
so as far as giving 2nd chances, F***k that again!

lets just de-rail this thread a bit. he had tons of promise, obviously interviewed well, could probably drive a truck like a motherfucker, references probably came back ok, he turns up for work on time, all the time...

so what do you care if he has a joint after dinner, rather than a beer?

or would you rather a crackhead, who could pass a drug test after a weekend off?

[Oakie]

lets just de-rail this thread a bit. he had tons of promise, obviously interviewed well, could probably drive a truck like a motherfucker, references probably came back ok, he turns up for work on time, all the time...

so what do you care if he has a joint after dinner, rather than a beer?

or would you rather a crackhead, who could pass a drug test after a weekend off?

No one biting huh?

[Akzle]

No one biting huh?

no i think it's a fairly fair question. all this drug test crap doesn't count for shit, really. as the people who you think should have the job, probably should.

the drop kicks, well, it's an easy and legal way to tell them to fuck off. (because "you're a dropkick" might hurt their precious little egos)

all up for reform.

[bogan]

no i think it's a fairly fair question. all this drug test crap doesn't count for shit, really. as the people who you think should have the job, probably should.

the drop kicks, well, it's an easy and legal way to tell them to fuck off. (because "you're a dropkick" might hurt their precious little egos)

all up for reform.

Pipe down in the cheap seats, I thought reform was up to us members of society? Some stoned hillbilly is one of the last cunts I'd want at the wheel of a 20T + truck on our roads.

[Grubber]

Not surprisingly ... but cannabis can be detected up to three months after the last use .. (that's a can be ... and not a will be ... depends on the person etc etc )

So the drug testing for work is actually quite hard on someone who smokes .. even occassionally and only at weekends ... if you want to pass the tests and continue to pass the tests the answer is don't smoke at all ...

That is close to correct, going what we have been told.
A part time user can be free of detection in 3 to 4 weeks and a full on user can stay infested for up the 6 months.
And you are right, easiest way is to just not use it!

[Akzle]

Pipe down in the cheap seats, I thought reform was up to us members of society? Some stoned hillbilly is one of the last cunts I'd want at the wheel of a 20T + truck on our roads.

i meant a re-form of the "society"

(notice the absence of words to the effect: "law reform" etc.)

who says the hillbilly is going to be stoned while driving. and/or how did you infer that from the scenario i presented?