Drug decriminalisation in Portugal

[007XX]

I agree, totally.

But, regardless of the legal structure and the effective system in which he or she is brought up in, he or she is very likely to encounter drugs.

The how and why is not that important. It'll happen; just like penis(cock)/pussy(vagina) and (breasts)boobs. .

So you agree, but you don't...

Anyway, I don't want to be rude but trying to reason with a mother's wish to protect her children is never really going to lead you anywhere. And no, this is not about how over protective I may be, or whether father would be just as protective.... Blah blah.

My view, as single minded as it may seem to some people, is that if I can get them through teenage years with the least exposure to drugs as possible, and with as strong a moral ethic as possible, then maybe I'll have a snowball chance in hell to see them through unscathed. When they are more mature, they'll hopefully be strong enough to resist the lure of "perceived coolness" and make the right choices for themselves.


Now, I'm pre menstrual, it's the full moon and I'm out of chocolate. Do you *really* want to tell me I'm kidding myself again?

[mashman]

My view, as single minded as it may seem to some people, is that if I can get them through teenage years with the least exposure to drugs as possible, and with as strong a moral ethic as possible, then maybe I'll have a snowball chance in hell to see them through unscathed. When they are more mature, they'll hopefully be strong enough to resist the lure of "perceived coolness" and make the right choices for themselves.

Now, I'm pre menstrual, it's the full moon and I'm out of chocolate. Do you *really* want to tell me I'm kidding myself again?

I'm game... it'll be the second time today (although we have chocolate), but WTF in for a penny etc... Are you going to vet your kids friends? I had a mate at school who used to scough and turn hi nose up at us "druggies". We respected his choice, he wasn't singled out and once he had left school and went to Uni he turned into a bigger druggy than any of us. To excess one could argue. 18 in bloke years that means we're about to turn 14/15.

The difference between our 2 upbringings were huge. His father was quite repressive in ways and I took the blame as the wayward one leading his son astray. He needed no encouragement. My father was the opposite. I had my first spliff with him and his friends whilst sitting at the kitchen table. One of his friends handed me a joint, I looked at dad for approval and he nodded. As you might think, the door was open. It wasn't a bad experience given the "just say no" that was being pumped at the youth in those days. I experimented a little further with a few things, albeit stayed away from Heroin. For the most part it was social. Every now and then there were binges. Either way, I had been armed with the experience and it then became my choice to fuck up or not. I guess the biggest positive was in knowing that my parents had been there, done that, had had the bad experiences, had explained the potential consequences and then left me to my own devices.

To that end. Tis noble that you want to shelter your kids from drugs etc... but they are going to find out. I'm not going to hide my drug use, not that I do any these days, from my kids. I'm going to treat it like alcohol. My 9 yr old knows I've taken drugs, she asked me, and she knows what drugs I've taken. She stared at me like I was a mad man and was glad that I am still alive. If she's getting this aged 9 and she starts meeting people who have taken drugs and survived, she's going to wonder what the hype is all about. I hope I'm there the day she gets properly curious as I can offer her my experiences as a bench mark, give her a few simple "rules" to ignore should she wish and then I'm gonna let what happens happen. I don't see that as me being a bad parent, more proactive.

Good luck with your quest.

[scissorhands]

Druggies may be little worse than beered up meat heads?

The tinnie house near me has a 20 year old cat. They spend a fortune on keeping this moggy alive, and are some very intelligent people with great diets and figures, even though they drink, smoke and carry on. Conversations are high minded

Check out some overweight, junk food, anti drug units

The problem is overuse of drugs, misuse, not just drug use per se, and overuse is a comorbid of an underlying repression disorder needing expression, prohibition and the lack of real drug education

Go home after work on Friday and read a book??

[Brian d marge]

The bbcdid a great series a while back , in a nut shell , drugs fun but bad

weed , in the teenage brain does TEND to cause mental issues ( paranoia being one. ( me ,,,I cant smoke now unless Im drinking as I get all paranoid ,,,doom and gloom etc , not fun )

Also SOME personality types go further ... as they do

So end result , I would like the natural product decriminalized , ie parking ticket , and using class A to be community service , but making big monies ,,, hung drawn and quartered ( we can still do that cant we?)


Stephen

piss head from hell and coffee mainliner .......

[Akzle]

Because I have a visceral *vaginal need to protect my kids from being exposed to fucked up shit like acid, coke, heroin, etc
And in my motherly mind, the more easily available, the more likely they will be, at one point or another, to be exposed to it and tempted. This is a certainty, no matter how good an upbringing I have been giving them.

Could it be something along the lines of why Ritalin (and other psychostimulants) is used in treating the chemical imbalance in the brain at the source of ADD or ADHD?

1) drugs are easily available, you're not going to change that. decades of prohibition by a militant army of thugs hasn't.
what are you going to tell them? drugs are bad? and when, as mashy says, they have a toke and don't die? then where will your advice lie with them? ("well, she lied about that, so...")

personally, from a young age, i got right into my drugs. self medication, world denial, whatever the cause, i had a lot of fun, and very few bad trips. maybe that speaks to how happy and well adjusted i am at a subliminal level

my mum was a toker, now a drinker, the old man was anti- everything, except alcoholism, which i think his new missus and a healthy dose of diabetes has nearly cured him of.

i think, as with everything else, if children are exposed to it in a safe and sensible manner (cars and guns, come to mind), and you've doe your job raising em right, they will be able to make decisions for themselves.
my daughter (7) likes, or pretends to like, beer, that's fine, i give her some every now and then, she's been drunk to the point of uncoordination at least once. (i can hear mothers everywhere sharpening their pitchforks)
and i last year took them to a young fullas 21st (why am i the only cunt alive with a glass yard glass?) he's not a heavy drinker normally, and a meter of cold steinys saw him projectile on the lawn. my kids saw all this.
i'm contemplating taking them into auckland town one night, so they can see how fun drunk fuckwittery really is.
mine help me bottle my homebrew, they see me drink, they help me in the garden, they see me smoke. i haven't had anything better for a while, mainly because i need a horses dose to do the trick and i can't afford that shit.

2) nevermind rittalin, methamphetamine (yes, that evil P drug) is used to treat various mental disorders. evil, evil P.

so yess.. i'd love to change your mind, but if you've genuinely thought about it and feel that's the best course of action, who am i to tell you how to raise your kids.

Drugs are not GOOD. Ever. Basically.

shit. better tell pharmac.

WTF in for a penny etc...

Good luck with your quest.

The bbcdid a great series a while back , in a nut shell , drugs fun but bad

weed , in the teenage brain does TEND to cause mental issues ( paranoia being one. ( me ,,,I cant smoke now unless Im drinking as I get all paranoid ,,,doom and gloom etc , not fun )

Also SOME personality types go further ... as they do

So end result , I would like the natural product decriminalized , ie parking ticket , and using class A to be community service , but making big monies ,,, hung drawn and quartered ( we can still do that cant we?)


Stephen

piss head from hell and coffee mainliner .......

yes and no. i know a guy who's classed as psychotic, and on (heavy) (legal) meds to "control" it, and all "becuase he tried P once", now this guy may have had many, many issues, by psychosis was not one, and methamphetamine was not the cause and a lifetime script for something codone isn't the answer.
i do not believe MJ causes any mental issues, but it can certainly exacerbate them.
as with P, etc.

i believe, as a species, we can self medicate, which is as simple as eating good food. your body knows what it needs, when you have a craving for X, Y or Z, you could probably get a blood test to tell you your X, Y, Z vitamins are down. you'd be surprised how often this works. you have a million different sub-species, mainly bacteria, living in your body and they've developed a fairly symbiotic relationship, including signaling their host to tell you when your body is out of whack.
people really, really need to get in tune with their nature, mann!
to extend that, self medication also includes use of recreational substances, and activities that promote your body to produce it's own drugs (sex, riding motorbikes, jumping off cliffs, hard exercise etc)

Sent from between my second cup of espresso and fifth ciggy.

[mashman]

you could probably get a blood test to tell you your X, Y, Z vitamins are down.

If we were serious about knowing what was wrong with people or what people's body's needed, we'd be baselined from 16ish. We'd get blood drawn once every 3 months and it'd be loaded into a database. A proactive approach to healthcare. Oh shit his gogglechocknunchuckganglydangly levels are out of whack, which if left untreated brings on diabetes. Take this prescription to the chemist and he'll make up a custom pill, at the right dosage required, to reset your gogglechocknunchuckganglydangly levels. Hell you could submit your own blood online and a program would return the address of where you can pickup your prescription. But we're not really that serious about knowing what's wrong with the body of an individual coz it costs too much money.

[scissorhands]

I have a number of caring and nurturing herbalist women near me to draw on.
But still I find the internet a better physician [for me]. I will run things past them, but healing thyself is each and everyones own [and family's] responsibility.
The issue is with how physicians are paid. Traditionally in China, doctors only got paid when you are well, not when you are sick....

[Brian d marge]

My body is a temple ,,,,,,,

ruined , abandoned and occationally visited by perverts

fk I need a beer , ( one of my home made coffee stouts ) !

Stephen

[Fergus]

Whhaaaat? Fuck it... The farther I keep my children from hard drugs, the better I feel, and there is nothing anyone can say that'll make me change my mind.

You may want to consider a move to the middle east, the 'hardest' drug of all is available in your local supermarket

[SMOKEU]

You may want to consider a move to the middle east, the 'hardest' drug of all is available in your local supermarket

That chart is a load of shit to say that cannabis is more harmful than butane. There have been many documented cases where deaths have occurred as a direct result of inhaling butane. It's happened in NZ a few times, too. Same goes for ecstasy and several other drugs listed on there.

[scissorhands]

There appears to be anecdotal evidence that occasional to light cannabis smoking is often beneficial, much like red wine, dark ales and whiskeys, in moderation.

All the aspies on an aspie site are talking medication.
Starting this one, stopping that one, changing dose. Horror stories, years to come right scenarios, side effects from hell, toxic to liver and kidneys, may cause stomach ulcers!

Whats wrong with plant based, organic and often healthier alternatives from ones own garden??

As far as whats best for ones children, avoiding toxic exposures, foods and environments will preserve the family jewels more than prohibition ever will.

[Zedder]

That chart is a load of shit to say that cannabis is more harmful than butane. There have been many documented cases where deaths have occurred as a direct result of inhaling butane. It's happened in NZ a few times, too. Same goes for ecstasy and several other drugs listed on there.

As I understand it, the chart shows cumulative effects (ie: increasing by successive doses) not one-off deaths.

[Fergus]

That chart is a load of shit to say that cannabis is more harmful than butane. There have been many documented cases where deaths have occurred as a direct result of inhaling butane. It's happened in NZ a few times, too. Same goes for ecstasy and several other drugs listed on there.

Shit, sounds like you should submit your research to The Lancet!

http://www.thelancet.com/lancet-information-for-authors

""The Lancet is a weekly peer-reviewed general medical journal. It is one of the world's best known, oldest, and most respected general medical journals""
(BBC news)

[Akzle]

As I understand it, the chart shows cumulative effects (ie: increasing by successive doses) not one-off deaths.

and, to date, not ONE person has EVER died from cannabis use. statistically, it's safer than riding motorbikes...

[Mushu]

Drug prohibition is bullshit, all you parents who use kids as an excuse haven't really looked at what prohibition actually does, you make criminals out of people who sell drugs to supply themselves these people then sell to your kids to make their profits to pay their supplier and most of this cash goes back to funding gangs. I guarantee my 11 year old nephew can get weed, exstacy or P far easier than he can get beer or tobacco cos the guy selling it just wants the money, he needs I D for legal drugs

If you make all of these substances legal and regulated, and educate the population then kids can't get them (like alcohol, tobacco), police time is used to get violent criminals instead of stupid potheads, imagine the tax profits, and all that funding gets taken off the gangs.

On top of all that how much time and effort goes into trying to get rid of pot, if compared to alcohol pot is nothing nobody has ever died from pot never, it doesn't increase aggression like alcohol, doesn't increase risk taking behavior. Doesn't impare your senses like alcohol (it does effect the ability to make complex decisions). It's not 100% safe, but this is a motorcycle forum, will you let your kids ride when they come of age?

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