Drug decriminalisation in Portugal

[Mushu]

and, to date, not ONE person has EVER died from cannabis use. statistically, it's safer than riding motorbikes...

Lol, statsticly its safer than a chicken sandwich, you can choke, or die from selmonella

I heard once they figure the amount necessary for an OD is something like 500 oz in an hour, pretty sure you'd die of smoke inhalation first

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[Kickaha]

and, to date, not ONE person has EVER died from cannabis use.

nobody has ever died from pot never,

https://familycouncil.org/?p=6506
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-000-year.html

[Fergus]

As I understand it, the chart shows cumulative effects (ie: increasing by successive doses) not one-off deaths.

Nope, it weights acute and chronic physical harm equally.

you can read the full paper here:

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...464-4/fulltext
(You do need to register, it's free).


The root of the problem IMO:
""Drug misuse and abuse are major health problems. Harmful drugs are regulated according to classification systems that purport to relate to the harms and risks of each drug. However, the methodology and processes underlying classification systems are generally neither specified nor transparent, which reduces confidence in their accuracy and undermines health education messages.""

[Mushu]

Inhaling any burned plant matter is inhaling quite a few unintended substances like tar so long term risks are similar to smoking, what I meant was you cannot ever die from a single use, the point you raise shows exactly how toxic marijuana is, about on par with a cigarette, or a cheeseburger.

And there are ways to avoid the carcinogenic effects of smoking pot like baking with it or using a vaporizer (mines for sale by the way).

I would go back and edit my posts to change 'pot' and 'marijuana' to read 'thc' to address your argument, but I can't be fucked.

What about all the legitimate medical uses of marijuana there are plenty of medical problems for which pot is by far the best medicine.

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[mashman]

https://familycouncil.org/?p=6506
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-000-year.html

http://www.strokecenter.org/patients...ke-statistics/

"Researchers calculate that if 120,000 deaths are caused among 13million smokers, the corresponding figure among 3.2million cannabis smokers would be 30,000"

"In Britain, about eight million people admit to smoking cannabis"

See the "problem" with that article?

Having said that. Maybe it does directly kill people. Maybe it doesn't. But with the number of coulds, mights, ifs, probablys etc... the following hardly supports the conclusion of the first article:

"These people may not have died from a marijuana overdose, but if they had not used marijuana, they might still be alive today."

"Marijuana’s contributions to fatalities from strokes, cardiovascular failure, and others, however, are indisputable."

Indisputable, yet they MIGHT still be alive.

[Brian d marge]

it wasnt the weed that killed em it was the "munchies"

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stephen

[Akzle]

"linked to" ≠ "caused" or as old arsehole would put it, correlation is not causation

if i smoke pot and shoot myself in the face, did the pot kill me?
if i smoke pot and ride my bike under a truck, did the pot kill me?
if i smoke pot and... fuckit, i'm out, but you get the idea?
physically it is impossible to die from cannabis ingestion, in any way shape or form. unless you were injecting hash oil or something.

[Flip]

and, to date, not ONE person has EVER died from cannabis use. statistically, it's safer than riding motorbikes...

I have burried 3 of my mates over the years from drug related problems. One was a OD, one from aids and one took his own life. They were all week willed junkie fools, they all started off smoking dope, hung out with the "wrong" people, experimented with heavier shit then it all went down hill. The moment you start smoking dope then you start dealing with pushers, drug dealers and junkies from there it is all too easy to start down a very slipery slope.

I have lost a few good mates from motorcycle accidents also.

[SMOKEU]

I have burried 3 of my mates over the years from drug related problems. One was a OD, one from aids and one took his own life. They were all week willed junkie fools, they all started off smoking dope, hung out with the "wrong" people, experimented with heavier shit then it all went down hill. The moment you start smoking dope then you start dealing with pushers, drug dealers and junkies from there it is all too easy to start down a very slipery slope.

I have lost a few good mates from motorcycle accidents also.

All the people I've ever met who smoke buds started off with alcohol, tobacco and caffeine. So alcohol, tobacco and caffeine are clearly gateway drugs.

The vast majority of pot users I've met have never tried any hard drugs either, and I've never met anyone who deals hard drugs, so how does that sit with your theory?

I'm also sorry to hear that 3 of your former friends are deceased due to drugs, but don't blame their pathetic excuse for a life on weed. It sounds like they were fucked up to begin with.

[Madness]

One was a OD, one from aids and one took his own life.

How many of them were promiscuous homosexuals, Tinkerbell?

[Flip]

What a load of twaddle.

All 3 of my mates who have died from drugs related problems started using dope then moved onto harder substances. None of the thousands of folk I know who smoke or drink have a hard drugs problem. If we use your logic you could blame hard drug use on any common denominator eg wearing nappies when they were children.

The common denominator in my mates case was probably the pushers, the dope suppliers were happy to push harder more expensive drugs onto the dope smokers. If you hang out with low life dope smoking junkies you become a low life junkie criminal.

[Madness]

If you hang out with low life dope smoking junkies you become a low life junkie criminal.

But it's ok to hang out with junkies who don't smoke dope? What a load of bullshit.

[James Deuce]

Smoking ANYTHING is setting yourself up for lung disease. Lung disease is pretty terminal.

[SMOKEU]

[QUOTE=Flip;1130523640]

None of the thousands of folk I know who smoke or drink have a hard drugs problem.QUOTE]

Yet most people who have a "hard drugs problem" probably also drink alcohol. So, yet again, your point proves nothing.

[Flip]

But it's ok to hang out with junkies who don't smoke dope? What a load of bullshit.

You have quoted one sentance from a paragraph.

My junkie mate who killed himself hung himself in the garage of my flat, I found him and cut him down. It is a very undignified way to go, you do shit and piss yourself, after 30 years I still carry a pocket knife as I never want to hold anybody up and not have a knife at hand again.

This was my wake up call, I suggest you learn some thing from it.