North Korea v America

[mashman]

Wow! So Cameron Partners is New Zealand's central bank? I thought our Reserve Bank was our central bank.

It isn't a central bank either. Who is pwned?

Really?

Stop shifting the goal posts you naughty boy.

[Jantar]

Stop shifting the goal posts you naughty boy.

Sorry, but I'm not the one shifting goal posts - YOU are.

In every post I've made on this topic I have querried the idea that the

The only countries left in 2003 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family were:

Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

I mentioned Iceland, then looked up USA, then New Zealand. So that is at least 3 other countries that should have been on that list. In fact I believe that most countries should be on that list. Instead you tell me to look for YOUR evidence for you. Finally you came up with an obscure merchant bank in New Zealand owned by the Rothschilds.

Now you accuse me of shifting the goal posts? So if the central banks were not the goal posts then what were?

[mashman]

Sorry, but I'm not the one shifting goal posts - YOU are.

In every post I've made on this topic I have querried the idea that the
I mentioned Iceland, then looked up USA, then New Zealand. So that is at least 3 other countries that should have been on that list. In fact I believe that most countries should be on that list. Instead you tell me to look for YOUR evidence for you. Finally you came up with an obscure merchant bank in New Zealand owned by the Rothschilds.

Now you accuse me of shifting the goal posts? So if the central banks were not the goal posts then what were?

Looks like a little miscommunication there along the way. My bad. In regards to evidence and the link I posted, that was in response to you saying the only links you could find where from conspiracy theory sites. As Camerons are made up of senior bankers and the RBNZ MPC takes its advice from senior bankers, is it really that much of a stretch? also I didn't say they were owned by Rothschild.

[avgas]

pre-1) no? who "owns" nz? i think you'll find, under nz "law" the crown claims alloidal title to all land that is "nz" (although, technically not)

while i accept that claiming the highest title by no means construes ownership, the fact that we have thugs in holdens with guns to enforce the crown's claim, kinda keep most people quiet, innit?

1) where did you get that definition?, and who the fuck gave the monarchy that right?

secondarily, the monarchy established the NZ parliamental BS as a colony. since NZ are no longer a colony, it was and is not, in fact, the monarchy responsible for the continuing (defacto) existence of parliament.

2) yes, that sounds about right.

State a legal entry than links "the crown" to "her majesty the queen".
I will think that you will find the 2 are disconnected. As many things were placed under the crown but had nothing to do with the royal family. This was to remove liability from affecting the royal family.
e.g.
Who is the ruling body of this here country?
The crown
So what does it say?
Nothing - it doesn't have a mouth - local body states this.....

It also allowed for something bigger than the royal family itself. More than happy to show you a venn diagram how NZ and the royal family fall under the crown but neither has anything over the other.

This was all brought out in USA, Africa and India when they all had there little Independence yahoos. It is also why the Portuguese and Spanish. USA got around this by "inviting" states to its union. So did EU. Russia claimed it for the motherland. China for the great regime.
All the ones that had "empires" seemed to fail in the long run.

The UK was not the only one to do such things. Argentina also has a "crown". Independent from Queeny dearest. There are others - I just can't recall them.

But I think we should get rid of the crown, and fall on our own accord. It's a silly term that doesn't make any sense. Rename is "the fat kakapo" or something.

[avgas]

"When was our Reserve Bank privatised and sold to the Rothschilds?"

Makes me wonder if they would do a better job at it. We have a lovely 90's Japanese economy brewing here.............I will be able to tell my children of the day the rates changed.....and then stopped.......for a decade.

[Damantis]

It's not about who claims to be in control. It's about who is owed the money. And it's about who controls the flow of money. It's about unelected and unnacountable institutions like the Bank of International Settlements, along with the IMF and the "World Bank". All of which have strings pulled by the likes of the Rosthchilds. These institutions virtually pull money out of nowhere to loan to central banks. They fix and manipulate the price of Gold, making millions each day just from Gold transactions. They "own" whoever owes them.

I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory, but if you look around and check sources for what you can find online about it, it adds up for the most part. Start with the B.I.S. A facinating and frankly quite scary organisation. These are the masters of the world, and they don't give a fuck about anyone or their laughable notions of sovereignty. They won't be happy untill there is one world currency and no borders to get in the way of owning EVERYTHING.

[awa355]

Kimmy flung dung is in big trouble now,

Wouldn't like to be in his shoes when the Te Mana arrives to kick his arse.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/84...n-trouble-zone

[Akzle]

Kimmy flung dung is in big trouble now,

Wouldn't like to be in his shoes when the Te Mana arrives to kick his arse.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/84...n-trouble-zone

nekk minute:

china sinks the boat "accidentally", all hands lost, north koreans blamed, 'MURICA hoo-rah, decalres war on behalf of NZ, we send both our helicopters up, wait, no, they're gone. we send a bunch of guys with muskets up, 'MURICA hoo-rah takes over NK as a base, then "finds out" it was china who sank us and declares war on the reds, re-neg on their debt (which is basically all of it), chine says "you wanna fuck on me" and throws a few nukes over the pacific.
M.A.D.
nuclear winter, the earth resets itself.

[Wingnut]

Kimmy flung dung is in big trouble now,

Wouldn't like to be in his shoes when the Te Mana arrives to kick his arse.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/84...n-trouble-zone

There goes 50% of the countries defense systems..... Why do we bother anyway.

[oldrider]

I did. The only links I found were from conspiricy theory sites, not a single hard fact. However that doesn't mean there aren't any, just that I didn't find them. So perhaps you can help.

"When was our Reserve Bank privatised and sold to the Rothschilds?"

It doesn't have to be because the spirit of the nation is socialist and therefore compliant to Rothschild influence!

[oldrider]

It's not about who claims to be in control. It's about who is owed the money. And it's about who controls the flow of money. It's about unelected and unnacountable institutions like the Bank of International Settlements, along with the IMF and the "World Bank". All of which have strings pulled by the likes of the Rosthchilds. These institutions virtually pull money out of nowhere to loan to central banks. They fix and manipulate the price of Gold, making millions each day just from Gold transactions. They "own" whoever owes them.

I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory, but if you look around and check sources for what you can find online about it, it adds up for the most part. Start with the B.I.S. A facinating and frankly quite scary organisation. These are the masters of the world, and they don't give a fuck about anyone or their laughable notions of sovereignty. They won't be happy untill there is one world currency and no borders to get in the way of owning EVERYTHING.

True! Every country in the world is in debt ... the real questions are, to whom are they in debt and why?

[Paul in NZ]

You can add Iceland to that list, but I don't see anyone claiming they are a threat.

Sweet Jesus don't rile up Iceland or they will send out Bjork again or worse.... I'm still having horrible flashbacks....

[Winston001]

But "The Crown" doesn't own New Zealand. Under New Zealand law "The Crown" is the Parliament of New Zealand. The monarch is merely a figurehead with the right to establish and dis-establish parliament.

In amongst the leprechaun jumble our verdant Akzle occasionally raises good points - indeed I've blinged him on occasion.

The constitutional position is that all land is owned by the Queen = the Crown. We humble citizens hold lesser estates such as fee simple which we regard as freehold. FYI much land owned in Britain by the Queen, Prince Charles, and various Dukes etc is fee tail - entailed estates. The owners are not able to sell it because the land is entailed to their heirs, they just enjoy the income. Happily NZ has no such estates.

In a constitutional monarchy the actual authority of the Crown lies with the Executive Council which is composed of Cabinet (Her Majesty's Ministers) plus the Governor General. Its not quite a rubber stamp as those of us who remember the Australian GG firing the OZ prime minister Gough Whitlam. And he lost the resulting election.

This underlying Crown/State ownership of all land occurs across all nations to the best of my knowledge. In republican countries it is called eminent domain. The crucial issue is that a government can take away a citizens land for the greater benefit of the people. Building roads, dams, hospitals etc.

Jantar, you may well remember Muldoon's use of the National Development Act 1979 to seize land in the Cromwell Gorge to build the Clyde Dam.

[Akzle]

In amongst the leprechaun jumble our verdant Akzle occasionally raises good points

i make an effort to raise my point at least once daily.


a claim is only as good as you can enforce it.

thus, my claim to be the bad assest motherf*cker stands, until someone either beats me down, or proves me wrong.

the crown (the european empire/ great britain), the world over, in it's colonising days, moved places, made rules, and (generally via taxation and violence) subdued the locals.

consider hong kong and kenya, the east india trading company, australia, and dear ole nuu zullund. (including but not limited to)


i'd like to pretend this rant was heading somewhere, but we all know that isn't the case.

beerbeerbeer.

AKZLE FOR PM!

[Damantis]

True! Every country in the world is in debt ... the real questions are, to whom are they in debt and why?

http://youtu.be/w5UOZP78O-Q