Drug decriminalisation in Portugal

[Akzle]

Nah cos I'll haunt them... I'm that stubborn. All kidding aside, isn't parenting supposed to be the voice of reason one hears in times of trials.

Meh... Hope floats eh.

voice of reason eh? maybe someone should have told me before i put my penis inside my kids' mother.

by your standards, this wont end well.

I think it's a pretty major point, and to date not a single person is able to give an intelligent argument against it.

these days my biggest worry is the cops finding my stash (I usually buy an ounce at a time which is more than enough for a distribution charge and a decent stint in jail)

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1) i don't think you get it. people agree, so they are not arguing, so shut the fuck up.

2) hide it in the roof, the dogs can't smell it and unless they have a warrant or "reasonable grounds" they have no lawful search (it wont stop them doing it, or taking it, and given your attitude, kicking your head in)

3) deny. deny. deny.
the cops need to prove ten kinds of shit. 1- you knew you had it 2- you knew what it was 3-you had it unlawfully

so, PO turns up and asks you "is this yours" answer is "i reserve my right to silence, i do not consent to any of this tomfuckery, akzle is the fucking man, get off my property", cop asks "what's this?" your answer is " looks like herbal tea, cunt face", cop asks "well, how come you have it" your answer is "i found it and was going to hand it in to the police station tomorow"

charges are fucking hilarious. cops are fucking useless.

you have a bad attitude (calling them pigs, ie) which doesn't win the day. and noone gives a fuck what phone you have. dickhead.

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[jonbuoy]

I cant see recreational drugs ever being sold and packaged legally. Too much liability for the seller and the government. Decriminalising is probably the way to go. Spend the wasted money and police time elsewhere. Problem is someone is going to still make money - if drug dealing was completely decriminalised whats to stop someone hanging round the school gates offering them out openly? What's to stop people openly jacking up? Snorting lines in a restaurant next to you? Or would it only be legal to do so in your own home?

[mashman]

Neither you nor I will ever know, for we haven't got enough info. It could have been any number of things: a girl involved, pressure from a different study dynamic, newfound freedom from parents, or all of the above combined.

But just attributing it to one factor would be overly simplistic. I grew up between a "hippyish meditation adept" mother, and a "catholic raised, extremely strict" father. She let me get away with murder, he had me followed by my uncle who was a cop... Long story short, I was predicted to end up a junkie or a whore because I was rebellious and I liked to have a good time at 16.

You don't know, nobody does. People end up what they are and how they are, partly due to outside influences sure... But mostly because of their own choices, of who they are on the inside. Drugs are but one of those choices in my view.

I trust in my kids to be intelligent enough to make the right call in the future. They'll make mistakes of course, and I'll be there to pick up the pieces, always.

I agree. It's as simple as time, place, make decision. Good experience possibly spurring one on to other things. Bad experience possibly spurring one on to other things. As ya say, the best we can do is educate and hope like hell that they make relatively sensible decisions... and failing that, at least be there to point the finger, have a good laugh at them, then hug the buggas back to life.

[Akzle]

I cant see recreational drugs ever being sold and packaged legally. Too much liability for the seller and the government. Decriminalising is probably the way to go. Spend the wasted money and police time elsewhere. Problem is someone is going to still make money - if drug dealing was completely decriminalised whats to stop someone hanging round the school gates offering them out openly? What's to stop people openly jacking up? Snorting lines in a restaurant next to you? Or would it only be legal to do so in your own home?

well, i'm still here.

who gives a fuck? do serious drug users really want to sit in a restaurant snorting coke? maybe. maybe not, either way, the great capitalist enterprise will facilitate it (do you want the coking or non-coking section, sir)

the thing about being in public, is that it's public, ie, as a (supposed) citizen, you own it. noone has the right to infringe on your rights in public, and you have a duty not to impose on anyone elses.

if it were legalised, as you state, retailers would (no doubt) need a license, sales outside schools would probably be illegal, as is selling booze within X00 meters of a school, or out of your boot.

and who cares, really? if somoene wants to sit next to you on a bus trying to pin themselves, do you actually care so much? (if yes, why?!) (who the fuck takes the bus?)

factoid: prohibition does not work
solutionoid: let darwin reign

[Madness]

if drug dealing was completely decriminalised whats to stop someone hanging round the school gates offering them out openly? What's to stop people openly jacking up? Snorting lines in a restaurant next to you? Or would it only be legal to do so in your own home?

Last time you were here in NZ did you notice people sitting outside schools selling alcohol? You also don't see people lighting cigarettes in restaurants here any more so it's pretty unlikely you'll ever see people snorting cocaine between courses.

[mashman]

I cant see recreational drugs ever being sold and packaged legally.

I believe you can still get K2 legally.

Last time you were here in NZ did you notice people sitting outside schools selling alcohol? You also don't see people lighting cigarettes in restaurants here any more so it's pretty unlikely you'll ever see people snorting cocaine between courses.

That's what the powder room is for ain't it?

[Madness]

That's what the powder room is for ain't it?

I wouldn't know, I use the mens.

[jonbuoy]

So your saying it needs to be legalised but with limitations? Ie not injecting,snorting,smoking in public places? What about a legal age for different classes?

[mashman]

I wouldn't know, I use the mens.

Urine the wrong place

[Fergus]

Its better than your kids being fed lies and propaganda from the schools and government 'just say no' campaigns.
If you can't be fucked getting the facts then your kids are pretty fucked anyway, pretty much anything taught to me by my parents stuck with me, far better than what was taught by teachers, feed to me by the government etc..

Sure you shouldn't teach your kids something you don't know about, so if you think it's important do the research. How important is chemistry to the general population.

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If you believe schools feed your children lies and propaganda why would you let them go there??

My (anecdotal ) experience with high school drug education was positive (public school, 14 yrs ago) they stated the risks and effects of many illegal and legal drugs in plain english. They stated that alcohol posed a much greater risk to harm than most illegal drugs. We were pretty much told 'ecstasy, LSD and magic mushrooms are the safest recreational drugs, be safe kids'.

It certainly was not a "just say no" campaign. It was just "the facts".

As for chemistry...
All health degrees and nearly all science and engineering degrees require 100 level chemistry.

A few quotes to show the scale and importance of chemical processes:

""In 1998, the total annual direct cost of corrosion in the U.S. was ca. $276 billion (ca. 3.2% of the US gross domestic product).[7]""

(the % of GDP is similar for all developed countries)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrosion


""3–5% of the world's natural gas production is consumed in the Haber process (~1–2% of the world's annual energy supply).[2][14][15][16] That fertilizer is responsible for sustaining one-third of the Earth's population,""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process

[jonbuoy]

I believe you can still get K2 legally.



That's what the powder room is for ain't it?

Would you want to see a major pharmaceutical companies or government departments start producing and distributing drugs? What if they start developing new drugs, great high, no low, ability to function normally, very addictive and very expensive? Is that a change you would like to see?

[mashman]

Would you want to see a major pharmaceutical companies or government departments start producing and distributing drugs? What if they start developing new drugs, great high, no low, ability to function normally, very addictive and very expensive? Is that a change you would like to see?

To what end? There's already a manufacturing and distribution network in place so it would seem silly to try to replace it with some other legal entity. In regards to available drugs. Absofuckinlutely. Pump the worst shit you can imagine into the community and it may well have different results than the ones you'd imagine. Nothin better than watchin people drop dead in the streets to get the message across... if you're after a deterrent that is.

[scissorhands]

Would you want to see a major pharmaceutical companies or government departments start producing and distributing drugs? What if they start developing new drugs, great high, no low, ability to function normally, very addictive and very expensive? Is that a change you would like to see?

There will always be demand for different spice. Fashions will change, tastes will change. Many new compounds will be discovered. Many old forgotten favourites will be rediscovered. Saffron tinctures may become all the rage

Power plants are more of a hindrance for most, and after a time lose their appeal to the balance. Ethnobotanical types will always be in the minority. Mostly these types are writers and artists, designers and craftsmen, druids and herbalists

[007XX]

by your standards, this wont end well.

And pray tell, what do you perceive my standards to be? I'm genuinely curious.

[Fergus]

Would you want to see a major pharmaceutical companies or government departments start producing and distributing drugs? What if they start developing new drugs, great high, no low, ability to function normally, very addictive and very expensive? Is that a change you would like to see?

You've just described many prescription drugs. ever wondered why you can't buy them over the counter?

I would like to see recreational drugs go through the same regulatory requirements that pharmaceuticals go through.

Get all the shitty speedy acid and dud pills off the market.