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[Madness]

You wouldn't know an open and frank discussion if it slapped you in the face. You get off on abusing anyone that doesn't agree with you.
You can't go for more than one post without and outburst of swearing.

Take what this thread was about. You called the girl a stupid cunt, Now you think that is fine but when I called you one you just couldn't handle the jandle, spat the dummy and went on a crusade to abuse me.
Frank and open discussion don't make me laugh.

You're an idiot Boris. I actually invited you to call me a cunt as much as you like but seeing as you're the one on a crusade here you would have forgotten that one. You might recall I called the girl that the OP refers to as a stupid cunt, that was and still is my opinion of her based on the information available. You actually started the personal abuse which had no relevance to the dscussion at hand.

I actually thought you were an idiot before this thread, based on your posts on KB and also having met you in real life. Sorry but I just think you're a twat, can't be more open and frank than that, surely?

[mashman]

Well, to get results showing that it does indeed have positive, or ill effects on a person, you will need to have the one without the drugs, alcohol etc. And one with, to compare how the same person ends up in whichever scenario.
Then, to come to a reasonable conclusion, you would need to test massive amounts of these clones, but with many different groups with different genetic make ups etc.
It's a bit of a hard basket thing isn't it?
Because, if you think about it:

Jimmy; Jimmy has started smoking pot, we know how he was in the first few years before hand, but we can only speculate on how he will be later in life, IF, he continues the same lifestyle.
Now we can look at him and how his habits, attitude etc change when he smokes pot at whatever frequency/dosage he chooses. Then we can speculate on how he will be later in life IF he chooses to continue the same lifestyle.

It's really no that testable (is that even a word?) and just like many other conclusions, it will need to be interpretation of correlation, which is why in any article released on marijuana/drug/tobacco/etc usage and effects, nowhere will it say "proves".

I get the theory... however is there enough research to say that clones would "develop" in exactly the same way as the original over their life span? Given that they're thinking functioning hooman beings and given that our mental process is very individual, I can see why the argument quickly drops into the too hard basket. The thing that gets me though, is that a part of scientific method is producing a margin of error. Shirley using the same hooman could give better results, especially as you have their history. Knowing the individual and then comparing them to the results of other individuals then being more of a real life scenario as opposed to cloning the ME 100,000 times, testing me and then stating a finding as a fact? Using clones and then extrapolating that across a population would give the same outcome as filling the tank of a Prius with 40litres of fuel and filling a Shelby Cobra with 40 litres of fuel. Why waste the time? Instead, deal with the best that you have and apply it to the real world.

Some virus or flu, or pure weakness thing. It has cut down my ciggarette consumption over the last few days though, an undeniably good thing eh?

I'm going to say it's because I'm 450km away from my bikes, it makes sense, I wasn't sick when I was at home with my bikes.

I know a few guys who've had that. One was wiped out for nearly 5 weeks. Seems it's doing the rounds along with a sickness bug 2 out of 3 or my girls had the other day. Why can't kids make it to the lav at 3am instead of projectile across their room?

cause and effect eh.

At first glance that does look very tinfoil hat, but I'll look through it

Sent from my armadillo hat using RADIO WAVES!!!!!!!

As the guy worked there and was a a patent examiner, you do gotta wonder if the armadillo hat fits.

[ducatilover]

I get the theory... however is there enough research to say that clones would "develop" in exactly the same way as the original over their life span? Given that they're thinking functioning hooman beings and given that our mental process is very individual, I can see why the argument quickly drops into the too hard basket.

Not that I know of, but it wasn't my area of study (good excuse eh?)

The thing that gets me though, is that a part of scientific method is producing a margin of error. Shirley using the same hooman could give better results, especially as you have their history. Knowing the individual and then comparing them to the results of other individuals then being more of a real life scenario as opposed to cloning the ME 100,000 times, testing me and then stating a finding as a fact? Using clones and then extrapolating that across a population would give the same outcome as filling the tank of a Prius with 40litres of fuel and filling a Shelby Cobra with 40 litres of fuel. Why waste the time? Instead, deal with the best that you have and apply it to the real world.

That, good sir, is why we need many different clone groups

I know a few guys who've had that. One was wiped out for nearly 5 weeks. Seems it's doing the rounds along with a sickness bug 2 out of 3 or my girls had the other day. Why can't kids make it to the lav at 3am instead of projectile across their room?

cause and effect eh.

It better not become that bad, I have rally cars to tend to.
Luckily I haven't had any fluid projections as of yet (so tempted to say ejaculations, but someone might get offended by the penile insinuation)




Now this whole thing sounds like a James Bond plot. Awesome!

[mashman]

Not that I know of, but it wasn't my area of study (good excuse eh?)

heh... not really. You should have been more interested. Having said that though, it has already been tried on people. I think the prototype was called Dolly

That, good sir, is why we need many different clone groups

we're doomed if that's the limiting factor.

It better not become that bad, I have rally cars to tend to.
Luckily I haven't had any fluid projections as of yet (so tempted to say ejaculations, but someone might get offended by the penile insinuation)

Most others have been between 3 - 7 days.
You didn't need the brackets for some to see that as penile insinuation.

Now this whole thing sounds like a James Bond plot. Awesome!

Great eh... fuckin shame if it's true though.

[BoristheBiter]

You're an idiot Boris. I actually invited you to call me a cunt as much as you like but seeing as you're the one on a crusade here you would have forgotten that one. You might recall I called the girl that the OP refers to as a stupid cunt, that was and still is my opinion of her based on the information available. You actually started the personal abuse which had no relevance to the dscussion at hand.

I actually thought you were an idiot before this thread, based on your posts on KB and also having met you in real life. Sorry but I just think you're a twat, can't be more open and frank than that, surely?

Yep you had no information, called her for it then didn't like the same thing being said about you and you have abused me long before this or when we met.
If you are who I think you are then the feeling is mutual, you're an abusive little coward of a man.

And actually that is called "closed minded" something you abuse Ed for on a regular basis.

[ducatilover]

heh... not really. You should have been more interested. Having said that though, it has already been tried on people. I think the prototype was called Dolly



we're doomed if that's the limiting factor.

I reckon we should get a huge group of people together, make them smoke a shit load of pot and see what their productivity levels are like, and their futures etc.

I propose we call this, Woodstock!

[Madness]

Yep you had no information, called her for it

I had as much information as anyone else who was posting their opinions, including yourself.

then didn't like the same thing being said about you and you have abused me long before this or when we met.

How many times do I have to tell you? I couldn't care less that you called me a cunt, online or to my face. If you're feeling abused maybe you should seek some counselling?

If you are who I think you are then the feeling is mutual, you're an abusive little coward of a man.

So you've gone from not knowing who I am and not remembering our meetings to now recalling me as making an impression as an abusive little coward of a man? You're full of shit.

And actually that is called "closed minded" something you abuse Ed for on a regular basis.

Ed & I enjoy winding each other up. He's a pillock but he's much more of a man than you'll ever be, which is really quite sad.

You must try harder Boris, all this carrying on like a rooster isn't upsetting me one little bit.

[SMOKEU]

[Edbear]

What's wrong with a little high every now and then? Or even every evening where it's "damage" is unquantifiable by science given that individuals react differently? As I've mentioned before, it relaxes me, it helps me maintain my weight, it allows me a peaceful nights sleep and it gives me drive to do things. Now I can take man-made alternatives to achieve all of those goals, including taking sleeping pills and not sleeping to get that buzz you're talking about. Would you rather I took multiple legal medications to achieve the affects (wonder what the side affects of those medications taken together would be) or would you rather I didn't become a walking pill box and relied on a natural herb? Yes I want it legal so that I can use my preferred method of achieving those goals. What's wrong with that?

trollymoley that's some naive shit you've been fed. You may wanna look over the reasons for Cannabis prohibition. It wasn't banned for health purposes.

If anyone is actually paying attention, my criticism is off those who make irrelevant arguments to try to justify their smoking dope. None if these ones could care less about them in reality, all they want is to be able to smoke dope without consequence. Why don't such persons simply say so in the first place? Arguing as they do only reinforces that they have no argument.

You also know, despite saying straight out your reasons, that smoking is a health hazard that cannot be argued with. There is no safe way to smoke anything, yet the smokers here bleat on about how you don't have to smoke Cannabis. So stop smoking it.

I have no objection whatever to exploring the potential uses of any substance and if Cannabis was genuinely able to be used for the good health of people without the side effects I would be all for it. Cannabis is probably one of the most researched substances in the world and there is not much that isn't known about it.

Another tactic by some members is that they consistently denigrate any research findings regardless of who publishes them that do not support their views. Posting any research at all is a complete waste of time when "discussing" subjects with addicts or prejudiced persons. And yes I know some here will ignore my comments above and erroneously fire this back at me.

[Katman]

Another tactic by some members is that they consistently denigrate any research findings regardless of who publishes them that do not support their views. Posting any research at all is a complete waste of time when "discussing" subjects with addicts or prejudiced persons.

That's you to a T Ed.

[Madness]

If anyone is actually paying attention, my criticism is off those who make irrelevant arguments to try to justify their smoking dope. None if these ones could care less about them in reality, all they want is to be able to smoke dope without consequence. Why don't such persons simply say so in the first place? Arguing as they do only reinforces that they have no argument.

Those in the pro-decriminalisation camp don't usually state that their own personal agenda is to be able to use Cannabis without persecution because it's quite fucking obvious.

You also know, despite saying straight out your reasons, that smoking is a health hazard that cannot be argued with. There is no safe way to smoke anything, yet the smokers here bleat on about how you don't have to smoke Cannabis. So stop smoking it.

You don't have to smoke Cannabis Ed, you can eat it too. The books didn't mention that either?

I have no objection whatever to exploring the potential uses of any substance and if Cannabis was genuinely able to be used for the good health of people without the side effects I would be all for it. Cannabis is probably one of the most researched substances in the world and there is not much that isn't known about it.

Cannabis is genuinely able to be used for the good health of people without the side effects, which is why Cannabis law reform is spreading throughout the developed world at a rapid rate currently. Sadly, New Zealand is at the forefront of making silly laws and lags behind in the area of common-sense sometimes.

Another tactic by some members is that they consistently denigrate any research findings regardless of who publishes them that do not support their views. Posting any research at all is a complete waste of time when "discussing" subjects with addicts or prejudiced persons. And yes I know some here will ignore my comments above and erroneously fire this back at me.

Cannabis use has been the subject of decades of misinformation and false truths as an attempt to justify the continuation of the war on drugs, little wonder people may seem prejudiced.

Are you going to answer the question I put to you earlier?

[ducatilover]

If canny-burse is legalised, then they can stop fucking up tobacco smoking for me?
Free choice 'n' all that eh?

[bogan]

If canny-burse is legalised, then they can stop fucking up tobacco smoking for me?
Free choice 'n' all that eh?

And while we're at it, lets knock those exhaust emission laws back a bit... bring back the 2Ts! see, its still on topic of performance modifying substances

[ducatilover]

And while we're at it, lets knock those exhaust emission laws back a bit... bring back the 2Ts! see, its still on topic of performance modifying substances

It's for the greater good!

[mashman]

I reckon we should get a huge group of people together, make them smoke a shit load of pot and see what their productivity levels are like, and their futures etc.

I propose we call this, Woodstock!

... and look at what happened. Technological/Medical/Innovational etc... explosions. Damn that weed an its ability to peoples minds to think beyond the impossible.