Dobbed in weed-growing parents

[blue rider]

Until the anti-cannabis brigade put as much effort into the banning of alcohol as they do for the continuing of cannabis criminalisation then the 'someone think of the children' argument is totally invalid.

and this is it in a nutshell.....
alcohol causes much harm yet is widely available in retail outlets all over the country.
cigarettes cause many more death per year than most of all the other drugs combined, yet is still available albeit taxed to the hilt.
yet sativa / indica / sensimilla is demonised and the use/possession of it will get one faster to prison than someone who drives drunk and ends up killing someone.

double standard much?

[Madness]

alcohol causes much harm yet is widely available in retail outlets all over the country.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...n-drunken-riot

[mashman]

[Laava]

Really though, the crimes associated with weed are more centred around the illegal sale and distribution. You look at the people who are making the most money out of it and you will will find they are gangster thugs. As the government will never have any control over that side of it, they have no interest in making it legal or even decriminalising it. And given that your average weed smoker does not grow their own, there is a huge market there which will always be controlled by gangs. But we all know that.
if people grew their own weed, this situation would not be there and things would be very different.
i don't give a toss if you smoke it, and I don't give a toss if you grow your own.
Oh, and nice pic Mashie! Actually , no, I am offended! Please don't post lots more just to piss me off!
Actually I am going for a ride now, so will make sure there are no offending pics when I get back.

[Madness]

Really though, the crimes associated with weed are more centred around the illegal sale and distribution. You look at the people who are making the most money out of it and you will will find they are gangster thugs. As the government will never have any control over that side of it, they have no interest in making it legal or even decriminalising it. And given that your average weed smoker does not grow their own, there is a huge market there which will always be controlled by gangs. But we all know that.
if people grew their own weed, this situation would not be there and things would be very different.
i don't give a toss if you smoke it, and I don't give a toss if you grow your own.

Exactly. Decriminalise it and you'll probably find that a lot of current smokers will put a patch in their 1/4 acre section. The price would fall and the crime (real crime like burglary & theft) associated with Cannabis use would eventually disappear. There would be change but I struggle to see the "doomsday effect" happening that slowpoke et al continually put up as an attempt to justify the status quo.

[ducatilover]

Too stoned to read all of this thread.

Or, gobbling too much knob?
You sir are a pot smoking bum bandit, teh byeball sez so

[SMOKEU]

When are the sheep going to wake up and stop listening to the same old Jewish propaganda which has been repeatedly disproved by modern science?

[blue rider]

blahblahblah?

[SMOKEU]

[FJRider]

Cannabis and speeding are not really comparable issues...
Even I know that for goodness' sake and I'm a bald ginger.

I speed more than I inject marijuanas

I was not comparing them ... simply using the same argument to prove the point.

[MSTRS:Me]

You're being very elusive as usual too Ed. Have you smoked Cannabis before, ever?

He' s so old he's forgotten. Must be researching the subject in his old school diaries...

...you deserve to be punished even more.

Like this perhaps?

[Madness]

I was not comparing them ... simply using the same argument to prove the point.

Pity it didn't prove anything, innit?

[FJRider]

Pity it didn't prove anything, innit?

Then neither could your argument ... as you only stated opinion.

[Madness]

Then neither could your argument ... as you only stated opinion.

I never stated I was proving anything though = big difference.

[Edbear]

There are laws in this country already that cover driving a motor vehicle while impaired by drugs and I see no reason why these need to change with my limited knowledge on this area of the law. If you're driving like a cock you're likely to get pulled up, regardless of wether you're stoned or not. If you cause an accident & harm others or their property you deserve the consequences that are coming your way and if you caused harm whilst being under the influence at the time you deserve to be punished even more.

This discussion isn't about driving or speeding after having consumed cannabis though, is it Ed? It's about the stupid bitch who snitched on her parents for having a couple of plants growing in their garden which in all likleyhood were to be consumed by adults as a relaxant in the privacy & security of their own home. Currently if you're in posession of Cannabis sitting on your couch in your living room with the doors, windows & curtains closed you're a fucking criminal, regardless of how incapacitated you may or not be. It is wrong,plain & simple and the girl is a cunt.

You're being very elusive as usual too Ed. Have you smoked Cannabis before, ever?

You are extremely judgmental as are some others here. You label and judge the girl without knowing anything at all about her or her family dynamic based purely on your preference for legal, unlimited use of Cannabis. Your opinion is from one who is totally prejudiced and one-eyed biased. You freely denigrate anyone who disagrees with you on any grounds regardless whether they have smoked dope or had any involvement with those who do/have. There is no balance or open-mindedness on your part to consider anything other than that dope is okay and should be legal and any who disagree on any grounds are stupid fools.

As I said, it is entirely your own opinion as to how much affected you are by it and as to what activities you consider yourself safely capable of. Yet you say the Law should be catching real criminals and use such as alcohol and traffic laws as an example. Again, who decides who is capable? You freely judge others as to being criminals or tossers in other situations yet they surely have the same right as you to decide they are not doing any harm or anything dangerous to others. This is hypocrisy.

Why don't you spend a few nights with the Cops on the beat and the ER's at the hospitals, talk to Drs. and surgeons, Paramedics, you know the one's who KNOW about things first hand?

I have never smoked dope except second hand. It was freely used by workmates on Forestry back in the '70's so I got to experience some of the effects and observe many users. Smoking anything is bad for your health and dope so obviously affecting users in a negative way, plus being illegal, turned me right off. I have been in the company of so many over the last 40 years or so who smoke dope that I am happy with my observances and my choices.

If you have to get stoned or drunk to "be part of life" or enjoy life, you are a sad sack with no life at all.

what the fuck are you on about. all of those things are bullshit.


1) i did. and i'm not entering into much longwinded discussion about it (not looking at anyone in particular).
so.. i have your permission to smoke dope now? do i ed, pwease, pwetty pwease?

2) you need to get some better literature (or dope) try the G13 that the united states federal government grows (it's GM, but good dope) no paranoia or "side" effects just nifty, medical grade cannabijuana.

can't argue with the us ed, otherwise they might invade your country.which happens to be my country, and i'm not down with that shit.

and what about heroin, ed? like the whole "we're off to afghansitan" thing.
heroin has legitimate medical uses, it's prescribed, even comes in handy tablets. (has "side" effects, obviously) but shirley you must be anti heroin?

Same comment as per my post re: cannabis use in medical sitations.
bro. (well, not bro, you're an aucklander) i will huuuuuk yuuuuu uppppp. oneday. i have a stack of seeds that are refusing to grow

are you awake ed? do you remember which side of this argument you were on?
YES.
i'm firmly of the belief that if you're not harming anyone else you should be "allowed" to do whatever the fuck you want. going fast while stoned is definitely one of those things.

or, perhaps, no, we need some god-like people to tell us how to live our lives, and what's "safe", and whether we are "in control" of a vehicle going sideways. because no grown up could decide those things for themselves. obviously.


1) shit. that's right. everyone turns into a raving incestuous pedophile everytime they smoke dope, a damn shame i'm a kindy teacher in the day time, innit. your little timmy is looking hot.

2) at 18 in this country (or 15 if you want to fuck) you're considered an adult. is it an adult decision to snitch on your parents? maybe, if you're a bitch.
surely if there had been problems (like all that raving incestuous pedophilia that obviously happend.) in the past, she might have, say, called the police then?

silence is consent. ...it's not rape just 'cos she's unconscious. [/COLOR]

You missed my point about personal choices? If you should be free to decide for yourself what is safe and what you are capable of, as Madnes claimed, why judge others by telling the Police to go catch the "real offenders"? Who decides who the "real offenders" are? As I said above, it is hypocritical to claim that right for yourself but not for everyone.

You might feel you are quite sober and in full control, yet you know that people under the influence of drugs, and to a lesser extent, low alcohol consumption, are fooled into thinking they are better than they are in reality.

If someome beside you, observing you, tells you you are stoned or drunk, or at least showing the effects of what you have ingested, they will be right, and if you claim otherwise you will be wrong.