North Korea v America

[Zedder]

There never is until it happens... then I reckons a fair number of us are i the shit.

Nah, I reckon it'll go the distance and the US will score in extra time and win on the golden goal rule.

But will China call time-out before that?

[mashman]

But will China call time-out before that?

I wonder if they'll get the chance. By all accounts PyingPyong could lob missiles over the fence at any given point in time. Wonder if the US public will get pissy with Obama if they wade in to the fight?

[Jantar]

should Guam get hit then the uS public would get upset with Obama if he didn't get into the fight.

[mashman]

should Guam get hit then the uS public would get upset with Obama if he didn't get into the fight.

Should Guam be hit it would be an exceptional shot given what they say about NK's missile reliability.

[Zedder]

I wonder if they'll get the chance. By all accounts PyingPyong could lob missiles over the fence at any given point in time. Wonder if the US public will get pissy with Obama if they wade in to the fight?

The US would be better off supporting China in hastening the downfall of North Korea plus assauging Chinese fears about any American forces being in the region.

[pete376403]

China likes the idea of a NK buffer zone between China and SK, Japan, etc.

IMHO if Kim family Industries get too out of control China will remove them and install another puppet. But they (China) probably like them (NK) keeping the west on edge a bit.

[mashman]

The US would be better off supporting China in hastening the downfall of North Korea plus assauging Chinese fears about any American forces being in the region.

True they would. But who has the stronger relationship with SK? and who wants a bank in NK ? I can see the US going for it to create a single Korea.

[Zedder]

True they would. But who has the stronger relationship with SK? and who wants a bank in NK ? I can see the US going for it to create a single Korea.

I got the impression China has had enough of North Korean stupidity plus they've been propping them up economically for ages which is probably a sore point.

Anyway, the US Secretary of State is heading over to China for "a chat" about it all shortly which will be interesting.

[Hinny]

True they would. But who has the stronger relationship with SK? and who wants a bank in NK ? I can see the US going for it to create a single Korea.

Time flies but it doesn't seem that long ago when we saw the leaders of North & South Korea in talks over reunification and the opening of the borders. Family reunions making for great television.
The US appeared to be really pissed at the idea of reunification.
I believe Nth. Korean sabre rattling is in response to the actions started by the US back then and consistently ramped up since.
With the US withdrawal from Iraq and the winding down of operations in Afghanistan the US Military/Industrial complex needs a new theatre of war. They have been promoting this theatre for a long time.
UN approval to engage in military actions against Nth. Korea would ensure its financial viability. Along the lines of George Bush 1's adventure into Kuwait. Have the world pay to expand your business interests. As Bush said of that conflict "It's about jobs, American jobs".

[Swoop]

China likes the idea of a NK buffer zone between China and SK, Japan, etc.

But they (China) probably like them (NK) keeping the west on edge a bit.

China is the interesting player in this drama and it will be interesting to see how involved they get.
China is also doing interesting things in Africa. Spending ten billion dollars on a new port in Tanzania (along with road and rail infrastructure), to support the chinese industry with raw resources. Conveniently getting berthing rights for military vessels in the deal...

[Oakie]

China is the interesting player in this drama and it will be interesting to see how involved they get.
China is also doing interesting things in Africa. Spending ten billion dollars on a new port in Tanzania (along with road and rail infrastructure), to support the chinese industry with raw resources. Conveniently getting berthing rights for military vessels in the deal...

And closer to home, they're doing a bit in Rarotonga such as building the Justice Dept building.

[ellipsis]

China is the interesting player in this drama and it will be interesting to see how involved they get.
China is also doing interesting things in Africa. Spending ten billion dollars on a new port in Tanzania (along with road and rail infrastructure), to support the chinese industry with raw resources. Conveniently getting berthing rights for military vessels in the deal...

...and in between getting all that shit together they supplied me with a motor I have tried to, but cant, blow up...

[Zedder]

Resistance is futile...

[mashman]

I got the impression China has had enough of North Korean stupidity plus they've been propping them up economically for ages which is probably a sore point.

Anyway, the US Secretary of State is heading over to China for "a chat" about it all shortly which will be interesting.

I still having trouble seeing China getting involved for some reason, beyond politics that is. Probably find the UN will get dragged into it at some point. Wonder how concerned China would be that NK could quite easily lob a few missiles over their fence?

Time flies but it doesn't seem that long ago when we saw the leaders of North & South Korea in talks over reunification and the opening of the borders. Family reunions making for great television.
The US appeared to be really pissed at the idea of reunification.
I believe Nth. Korean sabre rattling is in response to the actions started by the US back then and consistently ramped up since.
With the US withdrawal from Iraq and the winding down of operations in Afghanistan the US Military/Industrial complex needs a new theatre of war. They have been promoting this theatre for a long time.
UN approval to engage in military actions against Nth. Korea would ensure its financial viability. Along the lines of George Bush 1's adventure into Kuwait. Have the world pay to expand your business interests. As Bush said of that conflict "It's about jobs, American jobs".

Who is it that calls for sanctions against country's? Is it the UN? I know what you mean about the US needing a new war, but thought they would be gearing for a push into Africa to chase down the "terrorists". Once upon a time I used to think wars were fought for freedom, funny that we grow up and realise that wars are fought over resources and money. Wonder what resources NK have?

[awa355]

I still having trouble seeing China getting involved for some reason, beyond politics that is. Probably find the UN will get dragged into it at some point. Wonder how concerned China would be that NK could quite easily lob a few missiles over their fence?

Once upon a time I used to think wars were fought for freedom, funny that we grow up and realise that wars are fought over resources and money. Wonder what resources NK have?

Even NK wouldn't be stupid enough to kick China in the knees.

Wars are fought to keep the American ( and others) economy going.

Resources?, NK has 'Human Enriched' natural resources. ie; over populated, under fed.