I believe in gay marriage

[Katman]

A same sex relationship will not automatically ensure any greater degree of stability ... than a male/female relationship would.

Whoever said it would?

I merely suggested that a same sex marriage wouldn't necessarily offer any less stability.

[mashman]

Should same sex marriages have preferential adoption rights and fertility treatments now based on the fact they are infertile together.

Not all mixed sex couples can have kids ya know. Maybe there should be a law against a male gay couple donating sperm to a female gay couple just in case they breed a new breed of thoroughbred gay?

[Virago]

...And your oven/fridge argument is ridiculous. A couple does the same thing as any other couple, regardless of the composition. An oven and a fridge do completely opposite things...

This unfortunately raises the key issue - whether or not same-sex couples are "different" - some quite obviously think they are.

"I don't have any problem with them, but they are different. Let's give their relationships a special title to celebrate that difference."

The problem - people don't want to be "celebrated" while being segregated and patronised.

[FJRider]

Should same sex marriages have preferential adoption rights and fertility treatments now based on the fact they are infertile together.
After-all its only fair that they would.

One of the main reasons the legislation changes were pushed for ... was the basic equal right to apply to adopt a child into their family relationship. Not for preference. Their right to apply is not (and never will be) a guarantee their application will be approved .... just because they are in a "married" relationship.
Infertility treatment is given to infertile people. If fertility tests were done on the respective partners in a relationship were done ... and both were found fertile ... no further action could be taken.
Any preference based on their being a same sex couple would be an abuse of the basic rights they fought to overcome.

Boy scouts, they have to go, and the guides too they are just too sexually discriminate arn't they.

You are a bit behind the times ... girls have been IN scouts for quite some time. And are one of the larger youth movements in this country because of this. And few males have applied to join the Guide movement. Not enough (vocal enough) to cause any civil rights issues ...

[husaberg]

Methinks you're inventing scenarios to try to suit your argument.

Same sex marriages are capable of providing the same degree of stability for children as different sex marriages are.

Yes as i have said repeatedly

Why you would think that their "lack of fertility" would suddenly move them up the eligibility list bewilders me.

Last I checked there was a shortage of willing adopters, and an abundance of children up for adoption, so I can't understand why there would even be an eligibility list?!

there is........and yes overall there may be a shortage but not for the cute little babies............

Couples are required make an application to CYF . they will have to have a police check, a medical check and supply references.
They will be interviewed and ranked, and you are pretty naive to think it is a first come first served process.

[Katman]

They will be interviewed and ranked, and you are pretty naive to think it is a first come first served process.

Naivity aside, you'd be rather stupid to think that simply being in a same sex marriage will give a couple any greater degree of eligibility.

[husaberg]

One of the main reasons the legislation changes were pushed for ... was the basic equal right to apply to adopt a child into their family relationship. Not for preference. Their right to apply is not (and never will be) a guarantee their application will be approved .... just because they are in a "married" relationship.
Infertility treatment is given to infertile people. If fertility tests were done on the respective partners in a relationship were done ... and both were found fertile ... no further action could be taken.
Any preference based on their being a same sex couple would be an abuse of the basic rights they fought to overcome.

The problem as i see it was the adoption process whist not excluding only allowed or one member of the couple to adopt.
preference is sadly inevitable to how how progressive we have became. Look at the education system for a classic example. the falure rate of males is criminal...........

You are a bit behind the times ... girls have been IN scouts for quite some time. And are one of the larger youth movements in this country because of this. And few males have applied to join the Guide movement. Not enough (vocal enough) to cause any civil rights issues ...

Makes me feel a little sad to hear that...........

[huff3r]

Makes me a little sad to hear that...........

Even worse, soon the USA Boy Scouts might even let gays in!

[husaberg]

Naivity aside, you'd be rather stupid to think that simply being in a same sex marriage will give a couple any greater degree of eligibility.

No you would be rather stupid to not realise that fertility is a factor in assessing the ranking of applicants. Your naivety is also apparent in the fact that you can't accept there will be targets to ensure there is no hint of any degree on discrimination.

Even worse, soon the USA Boy Scouts might even let gays in!

I hope they always did as long as they are boys whats the issue?

[Katman]

No you would be rather stupid to not realise that fertility is a factor in assessing the ranking of applicants. Your naivety is also apparent in the fact that you can't accept there will be targets to ensure there is no hint of any degree on discrimination.

[bogan]

Has it devolved into a slippery slope, the sky is falling argument again? Well, credit for not bring in pedos I guess.

Guess so, pity that.

[Virago]

...I hope they always did as long as they are boys whats the issue?

The bible - which forms part of their code of conduct. Come out as gay - you're out of the scouts.

[husaberg]

[huff3r]

I hope they always did as long as they are boys whats the issue?

Surely you are not that naive?

Boy Scouts of America to allow gay youth

[FJRider]

The problem as i see it was the adoption process whist not excluding only allowed or one member of the couple to adopt.
preference is sadly inevitable to how how progressive we have became. Look at the education system for a classic example. the falure rate of males is criminal...........

The failure rates of males in the education system ... is more to do with what said males preferences to what their time and energies were to be spent on. Criminal activities probably do feature.

Makes me feel a little sad to hear that...........

As I am an old scout leader ... I was too ...