Censorship limits

[oneofsix]

Yeah ... Naaa bro ... there is a strong link between watching kiddie porn and kiddie fucking ... there is not a strong link between violent TV and actual real physical violence ... there is also a strong link between watching rape porn and actual rape ...

I do get what you are saying - but sex drives are sort of different ... we are all "victims" of them .. we are all subject to our sex drives (unless someone is a true asexual person - and they do exist) ...

This was a good preemptive strike !!!

I wonder about the strength of that link. When kiddie fiddlers are caught they will often be caught with the related porn, but who is going to admit to having watched sick stuff if they haven't been caught for the act? Therefore how do we know there are not more people out there that have watched the likes of pixie porn cartoons and haven't had any desire to kiddie fiddle?

Sex drives are different because we talk about everything else normally but sex is either not talked about or has to be sleazy and therefore easier to pervert. But it hasn't always been like that and it isn't like that in all societies but seems to be an issue common to Western and Islamic societies.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah ... Naaa bro ... there is a strong link between watching kiddie porn and kiddie fucking ... there is not a strong link between violent TV and actual real physical violence ... there is also a strong link between watching rape porn and actual rape ...

I do get what you are saying - but sex drives are sort of different ... we are all "victims" of them .. we are all subject to our sex drives (unless someone is a true asexual person - and they do exist) ...

This was a good preemptive strike !!!

I am conflicted. It is interesting that they got the Lincoln Uni lecturer who is the world expert in video game violence to comment... he basically says "its a long bow to draw" or something. I also disagree that we are all subject to our sex drives. You make it sound like we are mindless slaves to them. Not true. For me, the key difference is thinking, vs acting. For example, I might think about the hot girls at the gym (all early 20's) but no way am I going to act on those thoughts. Normal people dont. Similarly I very much wanted to kill someone at the weekend (I shouldn't drive a car) but I didnt act on it.

And thats the difference here, I suspect: the guy was not normal. He was a kiddie fiddler, so IN HIS CASE there is a link between thought and action. What we are punishing is poor impulse control (arguably).

I personally do not like the "thought police" aspect of this. I also think it arguable that this sort of stuff is not "injurious to the public good" to quote from the act. Because on that test, what isn't? Lady Chatterley's Lover? Portnoy's Complaint?

Fifty shades of Grey?


Basically if we are to face state sanction, I think it should be for what we do, not what we think. And as long as numbnuts didnt cross the line (and it is not apparent from that report that he had) then I think the conviction unsound. One of my colleagues said he thought it was a sitter for appeal, too.

But I am also not comfortable arguing for the rights of a convicted kiddie fiddler, even historic.

[oneofsix]

Basically if we are to face state sanction, I think it should be for what we do, not what we think. And as long as numbnuts didnt cross the line (and it is not apparent from that report that he had) then I think the conviction unsound. One of my colleagues said he thought it was a sitter for appeal, too.

But I am also not comfortable arguing for the rights of a convicted kiddie fiddler, even historic.

Agree with that, especially the last line.

Not sure where I would be if it had been the cartoon version of kiddie porn, as no actual kids are harmed in its production (to paraphrase Hollywood) but you would have to be a sick puppy to go there. But pixies and elves puts it into unreal world, and extra level of disassociation.

Umm the hotties at the gym a reason to go back. Everyone needs to see beauty

[Scuba_Steve]

Yeah .. I do get that .. but research shows that if these people continue to watch this type of material they do reoffend eventually ..
I think it was a good preemptive strike ..

Yeah ... Naaa bro ... there is a strong link between watching kiddie porn and kiddie fucking ... there is not a strong link between violent TV and actual real physical violence ... there is also a strong link between watching rape porn and actual rape ...

I do get what you are saying - but sex drives are sort of different ... we are all "victims" of them .. we are all subject to our sex drives (unless someone is a true asexual person - and they do exist) ...

This was a good preemptive strike !!!

I'm not sure what research you're referring too??? But I do know most research into rape porn & rapists showed rape porn decreased the likelihood of offending as most only wanted the fantasy; Those that would still offend, were going to regardless... Pretty much the same as they found with violent video games & real violence, the artificial satisfies most peoples urges the rest can't be helped.

Should we start jailing teenage drinkers because they might start weed? & maybee we should jail weed smokers because they could move to P, & hell why we're at it why not hand out 10 speeding fines with every new licence... Would be a good preemptive strike, wouldn't it?

[awa355]

If you or I (without a conviction), had been watching these cartoons, would the porn police have considered this matter in the same way?

If some red neck hillbilly with a conviction for beastality watches the rooster humping the chooks, does that mean he's breaching censorship laws?
( he would probably class that as 'educational' ).

[mashman]

Yeah ... Naaa bro ... there is a strong link between watching kiddie porn and kiddie fucking ... there is not a strong link between violent TV and actual real physical violence ... there is also a strong link between watching rape porn and actual rape ...

I do get what you are saying - but sex drives are sort of different ... we are all "victims" of them .. we are all subject to our sex drives (unless someone is a true asexual person - and they do exist) ...

This was a good preemptive strike !!!

So an ex-alcoholic will always return to alcohol? People who have raped someone will always go on to rape someone else? ad infinitum. If we were really that concerned with their risk, why are they out on the streets again? After all, it doesn't take much much to grab someone and do what you want to to should you be that way inclined and you can't be watched 24/7. Is it possible for every re-offender that there are more ex-offenders? Not excusing it, but I'm kinda with one of HDC's comments in regards to the fairy porn hitting his spot.

[Road kill]

This is scary shit.

The fact you lot are even entertaining this shit is proof of how easy it is for the powers that be to talk you into damn near anything with just a little bit of the right bait.

I can see it in the future.
So you sold yourselves for cartoon pixie sex ,,,,well fuck me.

[scissorhands]

... them "sensor" mutha fuckers are away with the fairies and are just protecting their own kind

dont bring me or my mates into this argument, we are asexual

[Banditbandit]

So you sold yourselves for cartoon pixie sex ,,,,well fuck me.

Why??? Are you a pixie ... ????

[HenryDorsetCase]

Why??? Are you a pixie ... ????

and if so..... how much?

[Banditbandit]

This is scary shit.

The fact you lot are even entertaining this shit is proof of how easy it is for the powers that be to talk you into damn near anything with just a little bit of the right bait.

Bwhahahah a.. In case you hadn't noticed - I am so anti "the powers that be" as to make it impossible for them to talk me into anything ..

I happen to believe there is no excuse for kiddie fiddling, kiddie fucking or anything else to do with perverts and children and I would quite happily shoot them all to stop them hurting any more children ...

I also happen to believe that innocent children do not become kiddie fuckers by accident - and there are reasons for their behaviour ... and we shoudl be lookig at those reasons and finding ways to stop it ... but once they are kiddie fuckers it is too late - shoot them .. and shooting them goes some way to stopping it - victims become abusers ... shooting abusers means they create no more victims ...

[Banditbandit]

I also disagree that we are all subject to our sex drives. You make it sound like we are mindless slaves to them. Not true. For me, the key difference is thinking, vs acting. For example, I might think about the hot girls at the gym (all early 20's) but no way am I going to act on those thoughts. Normal people dont. Similarly I very much wanted to kill someone at the weekend (I shouldn't drive a car) but I didnt act on it.

Not quite what I mean ... xclose .. but let me add a ltitle more

Sex drives are deeply biological (unlike the need for a new DVD player, a new motorcycle, etc etc ... if they were not then humans would have probably died out years ago) We become attracted to the opposite sex around puberty - if we live in good happy healthy environments then the chances of our developing normal healthy attractions is high (don't go off on the gay tangent ... by normal healthy attractions here I mean between consenting adults ...)

But sometimes things go wrong and people develop attractions to children (or animals or even associate sex with volence - rape, torture etc etc) ... if these attractions result in climax (orgasm) then the attraction can be pretty much fixed on the "abnormal" subjects ... (orgasm is a huge part of the drive and is a major physical incentive for sex) ... Whether these people act on their attractions or not is, as you say, up to them ... the problem is that some do ... enough do to become a problem.

The liberal answer is to put them in sex offenders units and try to teach them to not act on their desires ... I happen to think that is a waste of time .. just shoot them ... gaurantees they won't hurt anyone else ... (I might be persuaded that one offence and they get treatment - two offenses and they could be allowed one mistake - three offences and they are dead !!!)

[Scuba_Steve]

Here's a question, he's in jail because of the assumed youngness of fictional characters & having said content on his PC. Why then is Romeo & Juliet held in such high regard? Should this book not be banned & all whom possess it jailed? After all Romeo & Juliet is a love story of a "kiddy fiddler"

[Banditbandit]

Here's a question, he's in jail because of the assumed youngness of fictional characters & having said content on his PC. Why then is Romeo & Juliet held in such high regard? Should this book not be banned & all whom possess it jailed? After all Romeo & Juliet is a love story of a "kiddy fiddler"

Naa ... that's only underage sex ... Romeo is not older than our current age of consent ... both were older than the age of consent in the times that they supposedly lived ... but both would be tyounger than our current agoe of consent ...

But there's much worse in Shakespeare (and Chaucer . etc etc ... ) Not to mention the Bible ... Even Mary was a girl who had not reached menarche (the actual Aramaic word that has been wrongly translated as "virgin" means a girl who has not had her first period ...) and how manys days old was Eve when she gave birth ???

[oneofsix]

Bwhahahah a.. In case you hadn't noticed - I am so anti "the powers that be" as to make it impossible for them to talk me into anything ..

I happen to believe there is no excuse for kiddie fiddling, kiddie fucking or anything else to do with perverts and children and I would quite happily shoot them all to stop them hurting any more children ...

I also happen to believe that innocent children do not become kiddie fuckers by accident - and there are reasons for their behaviour ... and we shoudl be lookig at those reasons and finding ways to stop it ... but once they are kiddie fuckers it is too late - shoot them .. and shooting them goes some way to stopping it - victims become abusers ... shooting abusers means they create no more victims ...

Not impossible. By associating fictional pixie sex with kiddie fiddling "the powers that be" have got you to agree to their censorship of cartoons and the imprisonment of someone because they still had some old cartoons.
If they had of imprisoned him because he was caught hanging around primary schools and "grooming" children then fine, but for doubtful artwork I do hope there is more to this case than cartoons or we have another Dot Com "the powers that be" lynch mob.