Dobbed in weed-growing parents

[bogan]

You have much to learn and far to go, young man.

So learn how to make a compelling argument and teach me.

[Edbear]

So learn how to make a compelling argument and teach me.

Actually the pictures stemmed from silly hats are meant draw parallels to the sillyness of Ed's arguments, I tried to engage him in rational discussion (I'm actually on the fence on this somewhat interesting issue) but he refused to back up his statements and instead resorted to pointless redirection or insults. As I said in my previous post, there is still the option for an actual discussion.

Maybe my actual point was lost in among my sparring with the idiots? Give me a minute or two and I'll recap wihtout the sparring.

Just got news my youngest is having a baby girl! She went for her 20 wk scan this afternoon!

Ten seconds later I got a huge order from a merchant! I have bought back a company I sold after my car accident. It wasn't doing as well as I thought it should, so I bought it back and first day was this big order, from the first company I approached.

So sorry if I'm not too down despite the best efforts of some on here...

[mashman]

You may feel that having a quiet puff at home is no big deal, but the truth is that this is not the reality for most and gang violence and crime will not go away if it was deciminalised. There will still be a black market, even bigger, maybe, as how many will abide by the law? How many will avail themselves of the detox programmes? No-one here for sure!

???? How can the black market be even bigger given that those who smoke already smoke? And if you're that concerned about the black market and crime, legalise it.

[Edbear]

???? How can the black market be even bigger given that those who smoke already smoke? And if you're that concerned about the black market and crime, legalise it.

Ask the gangs what they will do.

[mashman]

Ask the gangs what they will do.

Under which context? Decriminalisation or Legalisation?

[FJRider]

???? How can the black market be even bigger given that those who smoke already smoke? And if you're that concerned about the black market and crime, legalise it.

There will be plenty of people that will smoke it ... but can't be bothered growing it. As such ... with the likely increases in penalty's for dealing ... prices probably wont drop much.

[mashman]

There will be plenty of people that will smoke it ... but can't be bothered growing it. As such ... with the likely increases in penalty's for dealing ... prices probably wont drop much.

Why aren't they already? I think you'll find more people will grow their own and will start giving the extra away... but that may well put the price up.

[Edbear]

Under which context? Decriminalisation or Legalisation?

Decriminalisation. Not much difference as far as they are concerned though. They won't give up their control easily and don't care a whit for any laws.

There will be plenty of people that will smoke it ... but can't be bothered growing it. As such ... with the likely increases in penalty's for dealing ... prices probably wont drop much.

Perzackery. Decriminalisation is for those who have a wee bit on hand for personal use, the other laws don't change. So add a major increase in costing for the extra Policing, the rehab/education programs, etc. and you can see why the Portugese experiment is still controversial.

[bogan]

What is the gang's market share on weed? I can't think of anybody I've known that buys weed from gangs.

A lot of the growers are everyday people, no criminal element except for growing, so if more of them pop up it might reduce the price and participation by the more criminal elements.

[Woodman]

Binge drinking is disgusting .

By disgusting, you mean hilarious fun right?

[FJRider]

Why aren't they already? I think you'll find more people will grow their own and will start giving the extra away... but that may well put the price up.

Probably because ... at the moment it's illegal. All the "Responsible people" that smoke ... don't want to risk a Court conviction. Or Police attention drawn to them.

[Edbear]

By disgusting, you mean hilarious fun right?

If that is what it takes for people to have "hilarious fun", it is a sad reflection on family and society. IMHO, of course...

[mashman]

Decriminalisation. Not much difference as far as they are concerned though. They won't give up their control easily and don't care a whit for any laws.

Aye, sounds about right. Which is just one of the reasons that we should legalise the stuff. @more police resources, more treatment "facilities" etc... you'll save a fortune by keeping them out of the courts to start with, may even end up with some drinkers changing their poison and potentially less hospitalisations (although that is one hell of a stretch to imagine), and as it's legal there may well be some tax $ in it along with the gangs being the suppliers for the legal trade. Who knows, they may even go legit

Probably because ... at the moment it's illegal. All the "Responsible people" that smoke ... don't want to risk a Court conviction. Or Police attention drawn to them.

That's the point of the debate though, the risking of the conviction. Without anyone coming into one's house and without being silly enough to smoke out in the open, the "Responsible people" are already smoking in the safety of their own homes irrespective of the risk. It has been that way since it became illegal. I'd also be curious to know how they'd be able to calculate whether the number of "users" had gone up or down... primarily as it's all currently best guess as to the number of "users".

[Katman]

Anybody watch Seven Sharp last night re: the legalisation of a Cannabis? A great advert for it, NOT!

Well Ed, if homosexuals and lesbians are now legally allowed to marry, I wouldn't go betting the farm against the cannabis issue.

By the way, did you have a read of the link in post #1226?

[FJRider]

I'd also be curious to know how they'd be able to calculate whether the number of "users" had gone up or down... primarily as it's all currently best guess as to the number of "users".

So how can you be sure then ... you have the numbers to ensure it is (will be) a popular vote then.

Are there enough people in the right places to get the Bill through Parliament ... ??

At the moment ... the answer to both is ... you don't know.