Does your bike comply?

[Grumph]

Its all under control Neil,The girls at the office are going to remove the number option for roadracing on the licence application form,Then the new system will begin(Actually its not a new system,Its the original system updated),By the way,The 2 digit number was not a new rule last year.

Agree it's not a new system - but I've never agreed with it or understood it. NZ is bigger than 99 permanent numbers.
Surely the original idea was that you applied for a number and (if you were outside a national top 10) you could use that number anywhere in NZ ? Surely we don't want to go back to the days of numbers being issued for specific events or clubs having to keep registers of numbers - which will inevitably go into 3 digits...

Or am I missing something here ? I can see the advantage of a national #1 - but one for each class dilutes it surely ?

[RobGassit]

Billy hates being called "surely".

[Billy]

Billy hates being called "surely".

Nope ...."Easy" gets me going

[Billy]

Agree it's not a new system - but I've never agreed with it or understood it. NZ is bigger than 99 permanent numbers.
Surely the original idea was that you applied for a number and (if you were outside a national top 10) you could use that number anywhere in NZ ? Surely we don't want to go back to the days of numbers being issued for specific events or clubs having to keep registers of numbers - which will inevitably go into 3 digits...

Or am I missing something here ? I can see the advantage of a national #1 - but one for each class dilutes it surely ?

Yip,I agree re the dilution,

However I am just as sure there are plenty that see it differently,All I'm trying to do is get something in place that I am able to deal with easily and the state the numbers list was in,Needed to be rectified,Plus times have changed and with the introduction of transponders,It appears to matter little if there is more than one machine with the same number at club level,Its not a perfect system by all accounts,But it's something I can handle with ease and free's me up to deal with other issues,Who know's,In 12 months time when my appointment is up,Somebody else may prefer a different system.

[neil_cb125t]

Yip,I agree re the dilution,

However I am just as sure there are plenty that see it differently,All I'm trying to do is get something in place that I am able to deal with easily and the state the numbers list was in,Needed to be rectified,Plus times have changed and with the introduction of transponders,It appears to matter little if there is more than one machine with the same number at club level,Its not a perfect system by all accounts,But it's something I can handle with ease and free's me up to deal with other issues,Who know's,In 12 months time when my appointment is up,Somebody else may prefer a different system.

2 digits does seem to make it harder for competitors to secure a number they prefer....there are so many club levelled riders maybe numbers should only be given to senior licence holders, that way joe blogs who races once during a calendar year on his clubmans bikes doesn't steal some top levelled riders number?

[Biggles08]

6.4.1


A non competing riders rep may be selected by the Road Race commissioner prior to any champion series of 3 rounds or more, must be announced 90 days prior to the first round of such series on the MNZ website.


Reason:
It is unreasonable in the current regime to expect a rider to be available at all times as is required by the

I agree that a riders rep should be able to be a non riding non-comepetitor for the reasons given but I'm not sure about this rule re selecting the Riders rep 90 days prior to an event...and being selected by one person (RRC) rather than a general consensus of all the riders there on the day. Or am I reading it wrong?

[jellywrestler]

It was a hypothetical situation.....

have you ever wondered what the world would be like without any hypothetical situations?

[wharfy]

If all bikes that did not complete the race distance for whatever reason had to taken to tech inspection (as a crashed bike would be) before returnintg to pits, then it would be able to ascertain the reason for stopping and then the fine could be issued. Youve been to Oz Choppa How do they do it there?

That could be handy if my bike stops - could be pretty embarrasing if I was doning the tech-inspection though !!
One thing to inspect a crashed bike to see if it is safe to race (as far as we can tell by looking and wiggeling things), quite another to diagnose the reason for a bike stopping.

So wiggle the bike from side to side if you can hear gas slopping about in the tank it's OK ? Dip the tank if the dip stick is wet is it OK ? or does there need to be a minimum amount left at the end of a race (similar to the battery must start the bike in some classes) ?

[SWERVE]

That could be handy if my bike stops - could be pretty embarrasing if I was doning the tech-inspection though !!
One thing to inspect a crashed bike to see if it is safe to race (as far as we can tell by looking and wiggeling things), quite another to diagnose the reason for a bike stopping.

So wiggle the bike from side to side if you can hear gas slopping about in the tank it's OK ? Dip the tank if the dip stick is wet is it OK ? or does there need to be a minimum amount left at the end of a race (similar to the battery must start the bike in some classes) ?

I wasnt meaning a free diagnosis of your bikes faults. Just a check to make sure fuel shortage was not the issue........ cos the rider aint gonna admit that is he (with a $ 4 hundy fine on the horizon) he gonna say its an electrical fault or similar. Because trying to prove it wasnt fuel after bike has been back to pit area and within 48 hrs would be............. difficult.
Listening to James Whitam commentating on BSB he says that now teams call every thing an electrical/system fault............. even an engine explosion (cos something electrical didnt do its job properly the engine blew up)

Simple way to get matters sorted at the time and no need for improperly issued fines or appeals ........ should have to be no minimum..... if you are good enough to get your fuel reqiurements down to the last fumes and exit at end of race.. then good on ya. Even best in the world get it wrong sometimes........ and i bet they wish the fine was only $400.

[SWERVE]

6.4.1


A non competing riders rep may be selected by the Road Race commissioner prior to any champion series of 3 rounds or more, must be announced 90 days prior to the first round of such series on the MNZ website.


Reason:
It is unreasonable in the current regime to expect a rider to be available at all times as is required by the

I agree that a riders rep should be able to be a non riding non-comepetitor for the reasons given but I'm not sure about this rule re selecting the Riders rep 90 days prior to an event...and being selected by one person (RRC) rather than a general consensus of all the riders there on the day. Or am I reading it wrong?

Marcus............since when have you seen riders rep voted by general concensus! Usually lots of people looking at their feet when the question asked. 90 days would allow that person time to be briefed and consulted as to what that role is and how to carry it out correctly. This being of benefit to all concerned. And who choses them is irrelevent as long as the person chosen does the job correctly. Billy would have a good idea of who could apply a balance of procedure and common sense.

[Billy]

6.4.1


A non competing riders rep may be selected by the Road Race commissioner prior to any champion series of 3 rounds or more, must be announced 90 days prior to the first round of such series on the MNZ website.


Reason:
It is unreasonable in the current regime to expect a rider to be available at all times as is required by the

I agree that a riders rep should be able to be a non riding non-comepetitor for the reasons given but I'm not sure about this rule re selecting the Riders rep 90 days prior to an event...and being selected by one person (RRC) rather than a general consensus of all the riders there on the day. Or am I reading it wrong?

Yip,

Its a hard one,But I don't see any other way of doing it and having the right person in the job,The whole idea of having it made known who that would be,Is that if there is seen to be any conflict,There is plenty of time to get it sorted.

I am open to suggestions from all members and have a fair idea of the sort of person required for the job,My first choice was to have had Scrivy take the postion on,As he has a very good working knowledge of the rules and is not shy of a confrontation with MNZ if he thinks the riders are being mucked around so to speak,Unfortunately,He has indicated the position is not something he wants to do,But that is the sort of person we will require,Also don't lose sight of the fact there will still be a rep selected from the competitors present on the day,So he can assist with details surrounding track condition etc.

This is not an attempt to have someone onboard who will be a puppet to the Stewards.Also bear in mind,I have no jurisdiction at the track,So theres nothing in it for me,Just trying to move the sport forward in a positive direction.

[Billy]

2 digits does seem to make it harder for competitors to secure a number they prefer....there are so many club levelled riders maybe numbers should only be given to senior licence holders, that way joe blogs who races once during a calendar year on his clubmans bikes doesn't steal some top levelled riders number?

Err,

So you haven't read the proposed rule change then???

[Biggles08]

Marcus............since when have you seen riders rep voted by general concensus! Usually lots of people looking at their feet when the question asked. 90 days would allow that person time to be briefed and consulted as to what that role is and how to carry it out correctly. This being of benefit to all concerned. And who choses them is irrelevent as long as the person chosen does the job correctly. Billy would have a good idea of who could apply a balance of procedure and common sense.

True regarding looking at their feet and all...but the point being they are chosen/volunteer on the day and everyone has the opportunity to publically object and/or make suggestions if they wishe to. The whole point of a riders rep (as I understand it) is to represent the riders competing at the event. The point I was making is this rule will make an MNZ official (RRC) be the one doing the appointing...has this not got potential for conflicting interests?

[Biggles08]

Yip,
Also don't lose sight of the fact there will still be a rep selected from the competitors present on the day,So he can assist with details surrounding track condition etc.

This is not an attempt to have someone onboard who will be a puppet to the Stewards.Also bear in mind,I have no jurisdiction at the track,So theres nothing in it for me,Just trying to move the sport forward in a positive direction.

Oh right, I didn't realize there would be someone else appointed on the day by the riders also (is that written somewhere I missed?). I guess it makes more sense now. Is the person appointed by the RRC going to be in the position for a certain period of time then? Also, I guess they will have to attend all the meetings while they hold that position?

[Billy]

Oh right, I didn't realize there would be someone else appointed on the day by the riders also (is that written somewhere I missed?). I guess it makes more sense now. Is the person appointed by the RRC going to be in the position for a certain period of time then? Also, I guess they will have to attend all the meetings while they hold that position?

Yip,

They will be onboard for all of any series they have agreed to,This also means,Series like the Suzuki series or Vic club Bridgestone series can adopt the same process and means the non riding rep can concentrate on the job in hand and the competing rep can assist when he's available,The rulebook already allows for both,Just that at present they both have to be elected on the day and cannot be a member of the host club,Makes it near impossible to get the right person in the job.