The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Brian d marge]

Yeah......na that's just bollocks.
Please come back before you start drinking again.

And FYI we are talking NZ not anywhere else.

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"try removing oneself from society , ie going self sufficient and see how far you get .. ,"

it aint bollox, some smarterer people than u and I have been debating this way back before the internet , a couple of froggies went at it for a while too !

, One mr Lysander spooner tried it once , and that was before it went pear shaped and one could be free(r)

simple one for ya , try not paying some taxes that you disagree with ,,,, ( a simplistic case but highlights how unfree you is )

Stephen

[BoristheBiter]

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"try removing oneself from society , ie going self sufficient and see how far you get .. ,"

it aint bollox, some smarterer people than u and I have been debating this way back before the internet , a couple of froggies went at it for a while too !

, One mr Lysander spooner tried it once , and that was before it went pear shaped and one could be free(r)

simple one for ya , try not paying some taxes that you disagree with ,,,, ( a simplistic case but highlights how unfree you is )

Stephen

Why would i want to? I quite like what society has to offer, warts and all.
and Akzle says he does so it must be so.

Quite easy not to pay a tax that you disagree with, ITS the consequence you have to live with. just look at those the ride without rego. all free to do so.(a simplistic case but highlights how free you are)

with freedom comes responsibility and i think it is that that you have problems with.

[oldrider]

Why would i want to? I quite like what society has to offer, warts and all.
and Akzle says he does so it must be so.

Quite easy not to pay a tax that you disagree with, ITS the consequence you have to live with. just look at those the ride without rego. all free to do so.(a simplistic case but highlights how free you are)

with freedom comes responsibility and accountability i think it is that that you have problems with.

You (accidentally) left the other very important one out of the trilogy!

[puddytat]

Politicians seem to be ,to coin a new phrase...,Demopaths

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/05/07...re-foes-awake/

[mashman]

what essential liberty will be given up?

My loss of privacy because businesses are too fuckin tight and too fuckin stupid to protect themselves from cyber attacks. My loss of privacy has nothing to do with me, it does not protect anything that I hold dear, it does not afford me any extra security. So why should I lose my privacy so people can make money or indeed can decide that protecting the economy is more important than my freedom? fascist morons.

[BoristheBiter]

My loss of privacy because businesses are too fuckin tight and too fuckin stupid to protect themselves from cyber attacks. My loss of privacy has nothing to do with me, it does not protect anything that I hold dear, it does not afford me any extra security. So why should I lose my privacy so people can make money or indeed can decide that protecting the economy is more important than my freedom? fascist morons.

sorry but I bet you are spied on more by your ISP then the GCSB.

Or your bank.

you tinfoil brigade do make me laugh carry on the good work.

[Scuba_Steve]

sorry but I bet you are spied on more by your ISP then the GCSB.

Or your bank.

you tinfoil brigade do make me laugh carry on the good work.

You ever thought about pulling your head out of the sand & taking those blinders off?

Might do you some good!

[Usarka]

If you've got nothing to hide then you've got nothing to fear.

[mashman]

sorry but I bet you are spied on more by your ISP then the GCSB.

Or your bank.

you tinfoil brigade do make me laugh carry on the good work.

I have no issues with my ISP doing so as long as they're only looking for illegal activity and not viewing my emails... then sure, they can pass the information to the Police and the Police only. After all, my ISP ain't like to come and smash my door down if they deem that my words are a threat to the NZ economy.

As for tin foil hat... go tell that to the relatives of Aaron Swartz or perhaps Cameron D'Ambrosio. Whilst you may be happy with the outcomes of such legislation. I am far from happy with it.

[Brian d marge]

Why would i want to? I quite like what society has to offer, warts and all.
and Akzle says he does so it must be so.

Quite easy not to pay a tax that you disagree with, ITS the consequence you have to live with. just look at those the ride without rego. all free to do so.(a simplistic case but highlights how free you are)

with freedom comes responsibility and i think it is that that you have problems with.

Society could ( and is ) a whole lot better in a lot of other places
You have a very good point , freedom does come with responsibilities , but what kind of freedom are we talking about here , a hobbsian or the froggy ones
I'm sorry but I don't like most what's going on
I think it could it be a whole lot better
Stephen

[BoristheBiter]

I have no issues with my ISP doing so as long as they're only looking for illegal activity and not viewing my emails... then sure, they can pass the information to the Police and the Police only. After all, my ISP ain't like to come and smash my door down if they deem that my words are a threat to the NZ economy.

As for tin foil hat... go tell that to the relatives of Aaron Swartz or perhaps Cameron D'Ambrosio. Whilst you may be happy with the outcomes of such legislation. I am far from happy with it.

SO you would be happy for your ISP to spy on you without the need for a warrant and sell it off to anyone that will pay for it but not the police that needs one? great piece of logic.

Aaron Swartz hung himself after being court and didn't want to see bubba in the laundry room.
Shouldn't play with shit that could get you killed.

Cameron, what really is there to say. dumb fuck makes a video where he makes a bomb and wonders why he gets aressted.
again shouldn't play with shit that could get you killed.

you haven't made a point so please try again.

[BoristheBiter]

You ever thought about pulling your head out of the sand & taking those blinders off?

Might do you some good!

Ever stopped to think that not everything is a conspiracy?
Might do you some good.

[mashman]

SO you would be happy for your ISP to spy on you without the need for a warrant and sell it off to anyone that will pay for it but not the police that needs one? great piece of logic.

Aaron Swartz hung himself after being court and didn't want to see bubba in the laundry room.
Shouldn't play with shit that could get you killed.

Cameron, what really is there to say. dumb fuck makes a video where he makes a bomb and wonders why he gets aressted.
again shouldn't play with shit that could get you killed.

you haven't made a point so please try again.

You didn't read the Police only bit properly did you? Dunno why I'm surprised given that your contribution, sorry cop out, thus far is that it's all a conspiracy.

And how long was he going to face in jail for theft?

boobtoob is full of "How to make a bomb" videos. Why aren't they all arrested?

Yes I did. You're just another moron.

[BoristheBiter]

You didn't read the Police only bit properly did you? Dunno why I'm surprised given that your contribution, sorry cop out, thus far is that it's all a conspiracy.

You're the one crying in your nappy's about conspiracy's not me

And how long was he going to face in jail for theft?

Who fucking cares he hung himself after getting caught.

boobtoob is full of "How to make a bomb" videos. Why aren't they all arrested?

maybe he made a better bomb

Yes I did. You're just another moron.

No, you just posted more bollocks conspiracy's.

So what is the reason you would rather have your ISP (an uncontrolled private business, only in it to make money that you always say you hate) spy on you than a controlled organisation?

[Banditbandit]

If you've got nothing to hide then you've got nothing to fear.

I call BULLSHIT !!!!

Arthur Allan Thomas had nothing to hide .. but events proved he had good reason to fear ... Bill Sutch was spied on by the SIS .. and proven innocent in courts (had a lot to fear didn't he) ... but he died labelled a spy because TPTB refused to say the SIS got it wrong ... Kim.com would appear to have nothing to hide .. but he had everything to fear as well (even if he didn't know it at the time) ... David Small and Aziz Choudry had nothing to hide .. but again had everything to fear ...

"Nothing to hide nothing to worry about" a bullshit line used to support attacks on our freedom

I happen to like my freedom and privacy and resent any invasion ... whether it is from the SIS, GCSB or spyware on the net ...