Dobbed in weed-growing parents

[Edbear]

Seen a few alcohol-related tests - similar results and mostly BEFORE they get to the legal limit.

That has pretty much been my point all along. Alcohol is legal and highly regulated and look at the issues we have with it. Legalising Cannabis is not going to change much as there is an increasing number of people driving under that influence too.

The problem with decriminalising cannabis is shown in the Portuguese example where it has had very mixed results. It definitely doesn't save any money or solve the gang problem. Added to that is the actual number of users who "just have the occasional joint at home" is definitely in the very small minority.

[scissorhands]

That was a lot of weed they consumed. They looked more and more stoned, but even the .3 gram after the 1st seesh is a lot of weed to bong, for someone [the 2 males] with no cannabis in their system.

To go on and consume 1.5grams [the regular user girl] and then be tested is equivalent to someone drinking 10-15 beers

ridiculously big amount of weed consumed.

[scumdog]

That was a lot of weed they consumed. They looked more and more stoned, but even the .3 gram after the 1st seesh is a lot of weed to bong, for someone [the 2 males] with no cannabis in their system.

To go on and consume 1.5grams [the regular user girl] and then be tested is equivalent to someone drinking 10-15 beers

ridiculously big amount of weed consumed.

The only thing missing from the test was a few 'collision avoidance' tests where an unexpected obstacle is put on front of the driver, something they could not really anticipate..

[Mushu]

Seen a few alcohol-related tests - similar results and mostly BEFORE they get to the legal limit.

Yea there have been plenty of alcohol related tests but a direct comparison would be interesting, especially if they use legal limits as the yard stick on both test groups (given they were several times the legal limit for these tests) although I would be even more interested in the comparison to common prescription drugs.

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[scissorhands]

Just saw that lynch mob of protesters outside the head shop in Manurewa on the news... its still gaining momentum!

[mashman]

That has pretty much been my point all along. Alcohol is legal and highly regulated and look at the issues we have with it. Legalising Cannabis is not going to change much as there is an increasing number of people driving under that influence too.

The problem with decriminalising cannabis is shown in the Portuguese example where it has had very mixed results. It definitely doesn't save any money or solve the gang problem. Added to that is the actual number of users who "just have the occasional joint at home" is definitely in the very small minority.

So legalise it.

[bogan]

It definitely doesn't save any money or solve the gang problem.

Source?

And if you mean this one it says nothing of the sort.

[Mushu]

Source?

And if you mean this one it says nothing of the sort.

Ed: shown to have his head up his ass again, lol.
Judging by what I have read, it hasn't cost anything at all for Portugal to have decriminalized drugs, and as far as I can tell less people in prison needlessly must save some money. Also HIV rates in Portugal have dropped significantly (according to the quoted source) surely that saves money in the healthcare department too.

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[Edbear]

Source?

And if you mean this one it says nothing of the sort.

You did read both articles?

Ed: shown to have his head up his ass again, lol.
Judging by what I have read, it hasn't cost anything at all for Portugal to have decriminalized drugs, and as far as I can tell less people in prison needlessly must save some money. Also HIV rates in Portugal have dropped significantly (according to the quoted source) surely that saves money in the healthcare department too.

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HIV has nothing to do with Cannabis use. You also didn't read the entire articles either?

[bogan]

You did read both articles?

Of course. If you found something it will be a simple matter for you to back yourself by posting the quotation, along with it's location and which article it is in.

[gwigs]

Police want to supply free heroin


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ee-heroin.html

Yes Well mmm..

[mashman]

You did read both articles?

HIV has nothing to do with Cannabis use. You also didn't read the entire articles either?

And the conclusion from the feet on the ground is "No drug policy, Zobel says, can genuinely prevent people from taking drugs -- at least, he is not familiar with any model that works this way. As for Portugal, Zobel says, "This is working. Drug consumption has not increased severely. There is no mass chaos. For me as an evaluator, that's a very good outcome.".

Did you read the articles?

[mashman]

Police want to supply free heroin

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ee-heroin.html

Yes Well mmm..

Ya gotta laugh or when you read things like

"There had been previous experiments in prescribing heroin. In 1989, a system offering chronic addicts pharmaceutical heroin on the NHS began in the North. The so-called Widnes experiment, under Dr John Marks, a psychiatrist, ran for five years.

The clinic claimed there were no drug-related deaths or HIV infection, and a significant improvement in health among the group of addicts. Police in north Cheshire reported a 93-per-cent reduction in drug-related crime among the addicts but in 1994, the experiment's funding was stopped."

Wonder how the UK woulda turned out.

[Mushu]

HIV has nothing to do with Cannabis use. You also didn't read the entire articles either?

Both pages?
Yes I read the whole article, did you?

Of course HIV has nothing to do with cannabis use but you did refer to Portugal saying there had been no benefit, pretty sure the article said the opposite, the only problem they're having (according to the article) was a likely future lack of funding due to problems with the euro.

So it seems like there would be some benefit to decriminalization

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[Edbear]

Of course. If you found something it will be a simple matter for you to back yourself by posting the quotation, along with it's location and which article it is in.

And the conclusion from the feet on the ground is "No drug policy, Zobel says, can genuinely prevent people from taking drugs -- at least, he is not familiar with any model that works this way. As for Portugal, Zobel says, "This is working. Drug consumption has not increased severely. There is no mass chaos. For me as an evaluator, that's a very good outcome.".

Did you read the articles?

I have read both and will post the relevant quotes later.