The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[mashman]

And don't assume that a consensus type of social organisation neccessitates a leader - it does not ... and would therefore remain within your concept of anarchy.

In this day and age? Surely not... although there was this little country in Europe

[mashman]

Where are you exporting Petone to?

Auckland. Gotta hide it somewhere where people won't notice it.

[BoristheBiter]

That makes you out to be a supporter of the fascist regime... and I have the sneaky suspicion that your thinking was something entirely different and highly one way.

Could you please show me what makes this current government a fascist regime?
I have asked HDC to do the same but guess he also has no idea but then being a lawyer I expected little from him.

Thanks for reinforcing my point. There are already people who work for free and do so of their own volition. Money is not a requirement for production or for an economy.

Never said money was.

That expectation is often unreasonable. In fact the whole ideal behind it is unreasonable. You get given money, therefore you should do something to repay us nice people for giving you money. Why not pay these people a decent living for a real job? Oh of course, coz the free market economy values effort at different rates and the total tax take doesn't currently pay the bills yadda yadda yadda. So disappointing and hardly what I would class as a logical way of doing things.

Were I actually agree to some point from both sides, the old Labour party removed the PEP scheme's as they said it took jobs from others.
This was bollocks as those jobs would not be done as they didn't have money for them in the first place.

I am not saying they should be made to do hard labour, they need time to find a full time job.

So if you think that expecting something in return is unreasonable we should just stop handing out money and keep it for those working.

[mashman]

Were I actually agree to some point from both sides, the old Labour party removed the PEP scheme's as they said it took jobs from others.
This was bollocks as those jobs would not be done as they didn't have money for them in the first place.

I am not saying they should be made to do hard labour, they need time to find a full time job.

So if you think that expecting something in return is unreasonable we should just stop handing out money and keep it for those working.

The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

1. Goes without saying. Too many country's have this sort of driver. We are NZ'ers, not Maori. Well you are. I'm a Earthling.
2. GCSB for one.
3. The politial party's.
4. Bought any new tech lately? 1/2 point
5. Tricky one... although legislation in regards to how a fmaily can conduct it's business ticks this box, that and women not earning the same as men because they're, erm, women.
6. Nuff said.
7. GCSB for one.
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9. Nuff said.
10. Nuff said.
11. Anyone seen an assault on the education system recently? The media are good lapdogs for this trick.
12. 1/2 point
13. Nuff said.
14. Wouldn't put it past them at all. 1/2 point

11.5 out of 14. Good score. Hardly surprising so many on here are fascists, it's how you're brought up.

Let's do the same experiment with "my" way under the microscope

1. Not really. We'll be all but borderless... but as there will likely be an initial pride in the accomplishment of the country toachieve that which no country has ever achieved, we'll thro in a 1/2 point.
2. Quite the opposite... unless the capitalists get out of hand of course.
3. Nope.
4. Bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa.
5. Rampant sex perhaps, but no need to distinguish who's doing what to which gender.
6. Not a chance.
7. Nope. Everything will be free after all.
8. Nope.
9. Nope.
10. Nope.
11. Nope.
12. Nope.
13. Nope.
14. Nope.

Well fuck me. A resounding 1/2 point.

So, you're either a fascist by choice or a fascist by association. If the former, than you must be popular in all of the wrong places... if the latter, then baaaaaaaa. Have a nice day.

[Oscar]

The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

1. Goes without saying. Too many country's have this sort of driver. We are NZ'ers, not Maori. Well you are. I'm a Earthling.
2. GCSB for one.
3. The politial party's.
4. Bought any new tech lately? 1/2 point
5. Tricky one... although legislation in regards to how a fmaily can conduct it's business ticks this box, that and women not earning the same as men because they're, erm, women.
6. Nuff said.
7. GCSB for one.
8. --------------
9. Nuff said.
10. Nuff said.
11. Anyone seen an assault on the education system recently? The media are good lapdogs for this trick.
12. 1/2 point
13. Nuff said.
14. Wouldn't put it past them at all. 1/2 point

11.5 out of 14. Good score. Hardly surprising so many on here are fascists, it's how you're brought up.

Let's do the same experiment with "my" way under the microscope

1. Not really. We'll be all but borderless... but as there will likely be an initial pride in the accomplishment of the country toachieve that which no country has ever achieved, we'll thro in a 1/2 point.
2. Quite the opposite... unless the capitalists get out of hand of course.
3. Nope.
4. Bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa.
5. Rampant sex perhaps, but no need to distinguish who's doing what to which gender.
6. Not a chance.
7. Nope. Everything will be free after all.
8. Nope.
9. Nope.
10. Nope.
11. Nope.
12. Nope.
13. Nope.
14. Nope.

Well fuck me. A resounding 1/2 point.

So, you're either a fascist by choice or a fascist by association. If the former, than you must be popular in all of the wrong places... if the latter, then baaaaaaaa. Have a nice day.

I got as far as 2.
You are saying that the GCSB engenders "Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights" So as to make "The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc."

I was wondering why I had a sore neck - it's all this looking the other whilst people are killed and tortured in NZ.

The only thing that's being tortured here is good sense.
You have reached new lows in your moronic rants...

[mashman]

I got as far as 2.

The only thing that's being tortured here is good sense.

I knew you would agree.

[Banditbandit]

Were I actually agree to some point from both sides, the old Labour party removed the PEP scheme's as they said it took jobs from others.
This was bollocks as those jobs would not be done as they didn't have money for them in the first place.

I am not saying they should be made to do hard labour, they need time to find a full time job.

So if you think that expecting something in return is unreasonable we should just stop handing out money and keep it for those working.

In many ways I do agree with you ... the welfare system was a safety net for people who needed it ... if you don't need it don't bludge of it - incuding old age pensions .... (And before you all hit the roof - do you really think it is fair that multi-millionaire John Key, when he leaves Parliament, will get a Parliamentary superannuation of 80% of his income when he leaves - for the rest of his life - is also entitled to National Super ??? - plenty of other examples)

However, in the contemporary world (if the word has too many syllables for you contemporary means Modern ) there is structural unemployment - there are more workers than jobs - which means there are more people who need a safety net to survive - to feed themselves and their families.

If there were more jobs than workers, then I would say No Work No Money .. however that is just not he xase, and recently Judtih Collins admitted it would probably never be so again.

So the question remains - how do we deal with people who are unemployed? Sure they can do voluntary work - but they still need to feed, house and clothe themselves and their families - that takes MONEY not voluntary work ...

So we do need some sort of safety net . adn it needs to be woerkable, fair, and not open to rip offs - but that's pretty hard - people are real good at working out ways to get extra ... How many of you all complaining here about benefit rip offs do it in other small ways .. use employer's material adn time when you know you shouldn't .. use internet time (people have been charged with theft as a servant for that - and convicted and sentenced.) .. throw a sickie ...

So - stop blaming people who are out of work for their misfortune ..

I agree with:

There needs to be a safety net to support peopel who have no job (it's nottheir fault they have no job)
People who refuse to work get no dole ... (it's their own fault they have no job)

However, people who refuse to work do have families (wives and children) ... the faults of the parent is not those of the children (yet) . so how do you support the wives and children if the adult refusese to work ... These can be the victims .. and may well become the perpetrators in the future ... unless something is done at at early stage.

[mashman]

However, people who refuse to work do have families (wives and children) ... the faults of the parent is not those of the children (yet) . so how do you support the wives and children if the adult refusese to work ... These can be the victims .. and may well become the perpetrators in the future ... unless something is done at at early stage.

Parenting isn't a full time job?

[BoristheBiter]

The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

1. Goes without saying. Too many country's have this sort of driver. We are NZ'ers, not Maori. Well you are. I'm a Earthling.
Bollocks
2. GCSB for one.
Bollocks
3. The politial party's.
Bollocks
4. Bought any new tech lately? 1/2 point
Bollocks
5. Tricky one... although legislation in regards to how a fmaily can conduct it's business ticks this box, that and women not earning the same as men because they're, erm, women.
Bollocks
6. Nuff said.
i would say that is more from the owners of the media
7. GCSB for one.
can't say i have seen them use fear
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Whats up? can 't you put any spin on that?
9. Nuff said.
Bollocks
10. Nuff said.
Bollocks
11. Anyone seen an assault on the education system recently? The media are good lapdogs for this trick.
i will agree with you on this, but it has been going on since I was at school. NZ obsession with making everyone equal.
12. 1/2 point
Bollocks, You have on idea what shit the police have to put up with.
13. Nuff said.
Bollocks
14. Wouldn't put it past them at all. 1/2 point
Bollocks
11.5 out of 14. Good score. Hardly surprising so many on here are fascists, it's how you're brought up.
I don't know? are right your folks must have been full of shit too?

Let's do the same experiment with "my" way under the microscope
why? not like you are going to run the country, or even do anything to help, or even have one good idea.

So, you're either a fascist by choice or a fascist by association. If the former, than you must be popular in all of the wrong places... if the latter, then baaaaaaaa. Have a nice day.

So does that make you fascist by choice or association?

[gwigs]

Parenting isn't a full time job?

In Sweden I believe it is considered a full time job and parents are paid for it.
They look after the children over there..

[BoristheBiter]

In many ways I do agree with you ... the welfare system was a safety net for people who needed it ... if you don't need it don't bludge of it - incuding old age pensions .... (And before you all hit the roof - do you really think it is fair that multi-millionaire John Key, when he leaves Parliament, will get a Parliamentary superannuation of 80% of his income when he leaves - for the rest of his life - is also entitled to National Super ??? - plenty of other examples)
Do you think it is fare for someone that has been on a benefit all their lives should get it too?

However, in the contemporary world (if the word has too many syllables for you contemporary means Modern ) there is structural unemployment - there are more workers than jobs - which means there are more people who need a safety net to survive - to feed themselves and their families.
and here's me thinking it meant supercilious, must be because of the same amount of syllables


So the question remains - how do we deal with people who are unemployed? Sure they can do voluntary work - but they still need to feed, house and clothe themselves and their families - that takes MONEY not voluntary work ...
I never said that, just one day a week they could do something.

So we do need some sort of safety net . adn it needs to be woerkable, fair, and not open to rip offs - but that's pretty hard - people are real good at working out ways to get extra ... How many of you all complaining here about benefit rip offs do it in other small ways .. use employer's material adn time when you know you shouldn't .. use internet time (people have been charged with theft as a servant for that - and convicted and sentenced.) .. throw a sickie ...
yep we do and it will always be open to abuse, but it is a safety net not a way of life.

So - stop blaming people who are out of work for their misfortune ..
never was

I agree with:

There needs to be a safety net to support peopel who have no job (it's nottheir fault they have no job)
People who refuse to work get no dole ... (it's their own fault they have no job)

However, people who refuse to work do have families (wives and children) ... the faults of the parent is not those of the children (yet) . so how do you support the wives and children if the adult refusese to work ... These can be the victims .. and may well become the perpetrators in the future ... unless something is done at at early stage.

I think you have me all wrong. I was not saying take away the benefit that we have in place, I was just saying that for one day a week, or whatever they could put something back into their local community.

Why should we as a community pay for someone else's family if they are not prepared to work for them?

[scissorhands]

[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1130547489]

So the question remains - how do we deal with people who are unemployed? Sure they can do voluntary work - but they still need to feed, house and clothe themselves and their families - that takes MONEY not voluntary work ...

So we do need some sort of safety net . adn it needs to be woerkable, fair, and not open to rip offs - but that's pretty hard - people are real good at working out ways to get extra ... How many of you all complaining here about benefit rip offs do it in other small ways .. use employer's material adn time when you know you shouldn't .. use internet time (people have been charged with theft as a servant for that - and convicted and sentenced.) .. throw a sickie ...

So - stop blaming people who are out of work for their misfortune ..
/QUOTE]

Mental disease and poor parenting....
Its the same all over the west, a disenfranchised class costing the tax payer

So create an inclusive environment for them, an alternative world, like another dimension, seemlessly living beside this present world in harmony

practically speaking, kibbutz style residential farms with cheap cabins walk to toilet thingy, [bring unused or non producing farms back into production]

have a business model of low volume high income boutique crops like herbs etc which could be a perk for the crazies

urban communities that can successfully instill hope and purpose without scorn or derision ie retard moron etc
cause many peeps are mentally challenged and all sorts of brain crazy

Mental health in the west is in a very poor state of utter bollocks, and the tax payer is footing the bill

[scumdog]

Parenting isn't a full time job?

Sadly that's what the parents of lice-riddled, school-sore scabbed, hungry, underclothed kids seem to think...

[mashman]

Sadly that's what the parents of lice-riddled, school-sore scabbed, hungry, underclothed kids seem to think...

Unfortunately true... and a society that refuses to catch those "ignored" children because it isn't their job to boot. Society should know better. Meanwhile the good parents have to work 40 hrs a week and spend less time with their kids, not really knowing who they are or what they're up to coz they haven't got a clue what the kid is actually like from the 2-3 hours a day they get with them. And they wonder why "good" kids go "bad" . That shit needs to change eh dawg? Economy v's Society... never both in the same breath.

[mashman]

So does that make you fascist by choice or association?

Yes I can put a spin on those 14 points. But within that spin there is a large element or truth. And as highlighted brilliantly by Oscar, no reason to go looking to see if that is the case given that you simply don't believe that it could be possible to consider NZ to be a fascist run country. It ticks a lot of them boxes in one way or another when taking NZ's role as an equal country in a global community into consideration... but as you point out, only if you decide to question NZ in that light.

You chose not to. Fair enough. Remain a sheeple.