Reading swoop's write up on the norths defence forces capabilities, why dont the US just call their bluff and deal with the twats once and for all? It's hard to believe that the masses can remain so brainwashed by the 'leaders'
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Reading swoop's write up on the norths defence forces capabilities, why dont the US just call their bluff and deal with the twats once and for all? It's hard to believe that the masses can remain so brainwashed by the 'leaders'
" Rule books are for the Guidance of the Wise, and the Obedience of Fools"
Hardcore Biker
It'd be interesting to see what its really like in the country - I'm thinking the famine and such would make it hard to care about the outside world to a large extent.Originally Posted by awa355
As to why not just going in and cleaning up - I think that'd have more to do with China being nextdoor and reacting badly to military force on a technical ally. Why China hasn't is a bit more of a question though
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16 May 2013: China is allowing North Korea to continue hosting tourists from China.
These visitors are a valuable source of foreign exchange for North Korea, and some 20,000 Chinese tourists visit each year on these day trips. North Korea recently advised the Chinese tour operators that they could include non-Chinese (including Westerners). This is one of the few bits of good news for North Korea from China recently. In the last two weeks China has found numerous ways to express its displeasure over North Korean aggressiveness towards its southern neighbour (a major trading partner with China and much easier to deal with) and continued efforts to develop nuclear weapon equipped ballistic missiles.
These nukes are thought to be intended to threaten the West (and Japan) but they could also be pointed at China. This, and so many other things North Korea has done (like not reforming its economy as China did in the 1980s), has apparently become intolerable for China and, without making any public announcements of a shift in policy, China has become much more hostile to the North Korean government of Kim Jong Un. This includes grooming his older brother Kim Jong Nam to replace him.
Kim Jong Nam was long believed to be the heir apparent to Kim Jong Il but this heir was too much of a playboy and had an unhealthy (to North Korean officials) positive attitude towards the West and the way China was run. Kim Jong Nam spent much of his time in China and basically lives there supported in luxurious fashion by the Chinese government. That includes protection from any North Korean assassins who might be sent to kill him (by his nervous younger brother). China has long recruited members of the North Korean leadership, usually via favours, like tolerating their private business enterprises in China. The Kim clan in North Korea has fought this infiltration as best it can, firing officials thought to be pro-Chinese and even executing a few. But Chinese economic activity in North Korea is so widespread and crucial that is has proved impossible to shut the Chinese agents out. This new Chinese pressure could result in push-back in the form of more real or suspected pro-Chinese North Korean officials losing their jobs, freedom, or lives.
Succession conspiracies aside, China has imposed some more immediate and debilitating restrictions on North Korea.
Access to Chinese banks is being cut off, one bank at a time. This makes it very difficult for North Korea to pay for illegal imports and get profits for illegal exports (weapons, drugs, counterfeit currency).
China has ordered border police to crack down on the illegal North Korean smuggling. This was long tolerated, as long as the drugs and counterfeit currency did not land in China. That rule was not always obeyed by North Korea and now China is making up for lost retribution. The Chinese border guards can be bribed (with a lot more money), but that won’t shut down all the many other Chinese security organizations under the same orders to block those exports. North Korea, fearful that China will cut off oil imports, is trying to make a deal with Iran to trade iron ore for oil, but that assumes the Chinese (and American and so on) navies will allow those tankers and ore carriers to complete their deliveries. That is not likely to happen. North Koreans view all this with dread because for centuries this is how China handled troublesome neighbours. American diplomats have openly praised China for all these moves.
15 May 2013: Japan announced it could, not that it would, attack unidentified submarines approaching the disputed Senkaku Islands. Apparently Japanese warships recently detected such a sub near the Senkakus and believed it was Chinese. International law prohibits foreign ships (especially warships) to get any closer than 22 kilometres from another nation’s coast without permission. Since Japan has long owned and controlled the unpopulated Senkakus it enforces the 22 kilometre “territorial waters.”
13 May 2013: Three Chinese warships approached the territorial waters of the Senkaku Islands and briefly entered them (getting closer than 22 kilometres to one of the islands). China has been probing like this with increasing frequency, using ships and aircraft (both military and commercial).
11 May 2013: Britain and the United States both report numerous new efforts by Chinese hackers to obtain secret data about the new American F-35 stealth warplane. British firms are developing some of the F-35 components. The Chinese deny these charges but more evidence of Chinese involvement is being released.
8 May 2013: The government has another corruption embarrassment, with revelations that the 41 year old granddaughter (Kong Dongmei) of communist China founder Mao Zedong is worth nearly $800 million and is listed as 242 on a list of the 500 wealthiest Chinese. Kong Dongmei also has three children, a violation of the one-child policy. Mao Zedong (who died in 1976) was always a strong believer in state ownership of everything and no private property. Many Chinese still regard Mao Zedong as a hero, even though those polices led to the death of over 20 million Chinese and the impoverishment of most of the population.
7 May 7 2013: The Philippines protested the presence of Chinese warships 11 kilometres from Ayungin Shoal in the Spratly Islands. The Philippines claims part of the Spratly Islands (which are closer to the Philippines than China) and Ayungin Shoal is occupied by Filipino military personnel.
5 May 2013: Indian and Chinese officers met to resolve yet another border dispute and a bit of Chinese aggression. China agreed to withdraw its intruding troops while India agreed to remove some border posts that had annoyed the Chinese. Both nations declared victory but the Chinese got more out of the deal. It was all about twenty or so Chinese troops who have been camped out 19 kilometres inside Indian Kashmir since April 15th.
China said their troops were not inside India, something India disputed. Neither country seemed eager to escalate this, or resolve it, but negotiations eventually began. China initially said it would withdraw if India would abandon an observation post in the mountains that overlooked Chinese positions. The Indian outpost was in Indian territory but the Chinese don’t like being watched. The Indians refused and pointed out that there had been three other Chinese incursions recently, but these troops did not linger. India saw all this as the Chinese way of applying pressure on India to withdraw from territory claimed by India. The Chinese stood fast and once more this tactic worked. Many Indians were appalled at how their government had given in to Chinese aggression. Indian politicians and media are pressuring the government to fight back next time and everyone assumes there will be a next time.
TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”
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Two things from this, 1; What the fuck would any tourist ( even Chinese ) want to see in NK?? 2; Even Kimmy boy wouldn't be stupid enough to point his nukes at big brother.
Re India, That would be an interesting stoush. Having worked with many Indians, I wouldn't be putting any money on them to do the hard yards at the frontline.
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sdkfz
India keeps beating up the Pakistani's, but given the size difference, not too surprising.
The China-India war in the early 60's is considered one of the great military disasters of the 20th century, for the Indians.
They all have nukes. Which makes it all quite "interesting".
Measure once, cut twice. Practice makes perfect.
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I see that the X-47 has been conducting touch-and-go circuits this last Friday... on the carrier!
TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”
Hardcore Biker
Look out World.
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
Hardcore Biker
Looks pretty fascinating to me.
Amasing architecture. Better than anything in NZ. Their festivals and parades look truly fantastic. Beautiful roads with hardly a vehicle on them. The history of the place, its customs and traditions. The things that people travel to experience.
I looked at the 10 greatest attractions in Auckland earlier. What inspired this was seeing an Auckland sightseeing bus with a sign on the side with a special price to see the top 20 Auckland attractions. My daughter and I both asked the question "what could they be?" Couldn't come up with many and the people who put the Auckland's top 10 attractions obviously had the same dilemma citing the majority of attractions from locales that only recently became part of 'the Super City'. Without those you would really be struggling so one can imagine a visit to North Korea for an Aucklander would be really great. Imagine how far our money would go. A disciplined, courteous and fun loving population, eager to please. What more could you want?
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
Forum whore
Take my dog.
Anorak
the collateral damage potential of the US friendly fire has just entered the Play station age..........
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Hardcore Biker
Those rescue shows they have on TV would make you think if you were in trouble "Oh No! for fucks sake, don't try and rescue me".
The collateral damage thing - I remember a neighbour telling me of his experiences at Monte Casino. He said when a German bomber came over the allies would take cover. When an allied bomber came over the Germans would take cover. When an American plane came over they would all take cover. The Yanks became so hated that when one got shot down one day both sides cheered.
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
Hardcore Biker
What sort of dog is he/she?
What was that film where the guy was arguing with a Korean at a party about what were the best sorts of dog? They were arguing from different perspectives. LOL.
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
Anorak
I remember the stats someone produced for the Vietnam and Korean wars the allies were far more likely to be killed by the ever friendly Artillery....
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
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뜨거운 핫도그.
But you knew that.
Hardcore Biker
Ow! I need someone to translate.
Bit slow? Too much wine? Not enough sleep?
Questions - are all around us ... and I don't have the answers. Better get to SIT.
HELP.
I feel like Donald Rumsfeld/ There are things we know and there are things we don't know.
There are things we know we know and there are things we know we don't know and then .. there are things we don't know we know.
뜨거운 핫도그. falls into the latter category.
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
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