Coming to a town near you, like it or not!

[Akzle]

anyone mentioned that the pope dude is actually an alien devil?

[gwigs]

the current fucked up things with the world were not fucked up by a bunch of wannabe socialists, they were fucked up by a bunch of hardcore free market freaks, that are unfortunatly considered the good guys,

i am tired of labels, they serve only to put the populace, or citizenry in their place. divide and conquer......but at least you are not the lefty.

I agree...squeek squeek ......I understand now ..

[gwigs]

anyone mentioned that the pope dude is actually an alien devil?

The Royal family are supposed to be Alien reptiles....well at least Camilla...

[mashman]

The system we (the world) uses now is compounding "Social Debt". ( results in continuous wars booms bust and damn it unnecessary mass death)

To date, this is my preferred "alternative" ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit judge for your self and tell me, if I am wrong?

That was gently put.

I remember reading that when you posted it a few years ago... and whilst I agree with many of the principles I still think that trying to manage the country using a financial mechanism is a flaw that will only ever lead to A+B for the benefit of C being the resultant societal model. Why put a known corrupting influence into an economy? As Douglas stated, production is only undertaken for consumption purposes and whilst that's obviously true, I don't believe that production is driven by consumption, but that consumption is driven by production i.e. if it's there, you will "buy" it. Not a very smart way to manage resources imho. But I did love "what we really demand of existence is not that we shall be put into somebody else's Utopia, but we shall be put in a position to construct a Utopia of our own". Makes perfect sense to me.

This is where a Resource Based Economy comes into it's for me. You make the best drill you can and you leave it at the tool masters place. If you need the drill you go and borrow it. When finished, return it. Much better than 50 drills for 50 people where the drill is only used 5 or 6 times per year. Do that with just about everything and noone need go without.

I'd love to know what sort of system your fave "socialist" webels would prefer.

[gwigs]

That was gently put.

I remember reading that when you posted it a few years ago... and whilst I agree with many of the principles I still think that trying to manage the country using a financial mechanism is a flaw that will only ever lead to A+B for the benefit of C being the resultant societal model. Why put a known corrupting influence into an economy? As Douglas stated, production is only undertaken for consumption purposes and whilst that's obviously true, I don't believe that production is driven by consumption, but that consumption is driven by production i.e. if it's there, you will "buy" it. Not a very smart way to manage resources imho. But I did love "what we really demand of existence is not that we shall be put into somebody else's Utopia, but we shall be put in a position to construct a Utopia of our own". Makes perfect sense to me.

This is where a Resource Based Economy comes into it's for me. You make the best drill you can and you leave it at the tool masters place. If you need the drill you go and borrow it. When finished, return it. Much better than 50 drills for 50 people where the drill is only used 5 or 6 times per year. Do that with just about everything and noone need go without.

I'd love to know what sort of system your fave "socialist" webels would prefer.

I love the idea of a resource based economy....its really the only way to for man to survive...

[mashman]

I love the idea of a resource based economy....its really the only way to for man to survive...

Yup, definitely with you on that.

[Berries]

anyone mentioned that the pope dude is actually an alien devil?

Lots of little choir boys allegedly.

[oldrider]

I'd love to know what sort of system your fave "socialist" webels would prefer.

They all support the current "social debt" system because remember, he who pays the piper calls the tune!

Remember Bob Jones and his New Zealand Party, supposedly ousting Muldoon?

All he really achieved was to remove Bruce Beatham and the Social Credit party as a viable alternative to National and Labour! (21% of the vote 2 seats)

Muldoon stayed on as a politician on the public tit until he retired and Bob Jones quit as soon as Beatham was a gone burger! (monetary mission accomplished)

The electorate was then hungry for proportional representation and as an alternative to FPP they bullshitted the electorate into accepting MMP.

MMP is the one that best suits the needs of the politicians rather than the electorate ... hook, line and sinker. IMHO (Progress?)

[oldrider]

Mashman, I found this site by accident and noticed that they refer to your cashless society in one of the side bits but I haven't had time to read it!

You may like to have a lookee see at it! [ http://michaeljournal.org/home.htm ]

Interesting that the new Pope is making noises against the monetary powers and that this site was sanctioned by the Pope that was (murdered?) err died!

Pope John Paul 2 was it?

The internet is full of surprises isn't it!

[mashman]

They all support the current "social debt" system because remember, he who pays the piper calls the tune!

Remember Bob Jones and his New Zealand Party, supposedly ousting Muldoon?

All he really achieved was to remove Bruce Beatham and the Social Credit party as a viable alternative to National and Labour! (21% of the vote 2 seats)

Muldoon stayed on as a politician on the public tit until he retired and Bob Jones quit as soon as Beatham was a gone burger! (monetary mission accomplished)

The electorate was then hungry for proportional representation and as an alternative to FPP they bullshitted the electorate into accepting MMP.

MMP is the one that best suits the needs of the politicians rather than the electorate ... hook, line and sinker. IMHO (Progress?)

Ahhhhhh yes... keep your friends close.

Fortunately I've had the good fortune to not have to take part in the "politics" of living for a vast chunk of my life. It was what it was, it is what it is... who the fuck am I to say otherwise. Tis one of them new found regrets. From that perspective I can see how easy it would be to discredit the idea of social credit and set about giving the people what they believe that they asked for. We've no memory of what once happened, we generally don't care what's happening, we've bought into it, celebrate it, even defend it and those who have made "us" this way... so so easy to do what they want really. But we still have the right to vote for the most popular party once every 3 years, so it can't be all bad. Can it?

Tis a shame that the political setup doesn't change a damned thing eh. I hope the rebel rousers get their point across and something else kicks off, coz something has to change.

[mashman]

Mashman, I found this site by accident and noticed that they refer to your cashless society in one of the side bits but I haven't had time to read it!

You may like to have a lookee see at it! [ http://michaeljournal.org/home.htm ]

Interesting that the new Pope is making noises against the monetary powers and that this site was sanctioned by the Pope that was (murdered?) err died!

Pope John Paul 2 was it?

The internet is full of surprises isn't it!

Cheers John, I'll give it a read through when I gets me time tomorrow.

[Akzle]

Tis a shame that the political setup doesn't change a damned thing eh. I hope the rebel rousers get their point across and something else kicks off, coz something has to change.

why leave it to us rabble?

it needs to come from the people. (tha's you, sorry to say)
so.. if you must vote, vote no confidence.
do not stop for, or speak to, crown policy enforcement officers,
stop paying crown fees,
stop (as best you can) paying tax or levies (wages protection act wins over "employment contract")
give your time and wealth as freely as you can,
plant some shit,
smoke some shit,
turn your phone off,
get rid of your TV(s...)
find your god,
enjoy life.

[mashman]

why leave it to us rabble?

it needs to come from the people. (tha's you, sorry to say)
so.. if you must vote, vote no confidence.
do not stop for, or speak to, crown policy enforcement officers,
stop paying crown fees,
stop (as best you can) paying tax or levies (wages protection act wins over "employment contract")
give your time and wealth as freely as you can,
plant some shit,
smoke some shit,
turn your phone off,
get rid of your TV(s...)
find your god,
enjoy life.

Coz youz iz all mental.

Agreed.
They don't deserve my time.
That's just wude.
But think about the children.
Think about the children.
I'm working on that one.
I did.
I did.
I can't coz it has Candy Crush on it.
Why the fuck would I get rid of the babysitter?
She lies next to me.
I used to.

[Banditbandit]

Careful, you are tending to shoot the messenger, I posted it so that you and any other readers could please your self what you do with it!

Hmmm .. the second sentence of your first post certainly establishes a positon on the message - I took aim at that, not the message.

I totally agree that there are a bunch of fucked up things with the current "western" financial and political setups. However when I look at some of the alternatives, I think we should be working on making what we have now better, rather than throwing it away.

Yeah ... I agree .. we do have about the best system that has been ever truly trialled - but that does not mean it is perfect. It happens to be pretty fucked up right now ... and there are ways to make it work better for everyone ...

[scumdog]

why leave it to us rabble?

it needs to come from the people. (tha's you, sorry to say)
so.. if you must vote, vote no confidence.
do not stop for, or speak to, crown policy enforcement officers,
stop paying crown fees,
stop (as best you can) paying tax or levies (wages protection act wins over "employment contract")
give your time and wealth as freely as you can,
plant some shit,
smoke some shit,
turn your phone off,
get rid of your TV(s...)
find your god,
suffer life.

Fixed