ANZACs and war and stuff

[oneofsix]

We don't, according to many, know that planes hit the buildings.
One has to suspend belief in all we have learnt to imagine that an Aluminium plane could penetrate the outer web of steel, go through the building taking out 20% of the internal supporting structure and come out the through the other web of steel largely intact!

You do have to ask why the secrecy?- why the cover up?

Certainly the missile theories concerning the destruction at the Pentagon could be silenced by simply showing all of the video of an aeroplane hitting the building not just 5 or 6 frames which explain nothing. Isn't that reasonable, sensible, logical?

There have been plenty of theories proposed.
There are plenty theories attempting to debunk the former.
All of the debunking theories have in turn been debunked as far as I am aware. - Most it seems needed one to suspend belief in the laws of physics.

Here is a question for the 'Believers': how did thousands of tons of steel turn into dust?
Remember these were mostly steel buildings; not just steel reinforced concrete.
Pancake theory (the official line) certainly doesn't explain that situation.

Have you done any background information gathering apart from that contained in the conspiracy theories? Have you seen how those buildings were constructed? Web of steel indeed I suppose all the video of the planes hitting the buildings were a Hollywood fake too regardless of the fact they were taken by private citizens using their own cameras.

[Edbear]

Really Ed?

Have a read of the page entitled 'Government Planning' on that link.

Hardly reads like a scientific review that's taking the subject matter seriously.

'Sokay, you've already provided ample evidence of your lack of intellect and comprehension. You keep on in your happy place...

[Katman]

'Sokay, you've already provided ample evidence of your lack of intellect and comprehension. You keep on in your happy place...

Well the theories aren't going away Ed (and I've proven over the years that I'm not either) so I'm sure one day we'll find out who's been correct all along.

[Edbear]

Have you done any background information gathering apart from that contained in the conspiracy theories? Have you seen how those buildings were constructed? Web of steel indeed I suppose all the video of the planes hitting the buildings were a Hollywood fake too regardless of the fact they were taken by private citizens using their own cameras.

Ignorance is bliss, doncha know..?

Why study or research, it spoils your favourite lines..?

[Edbear]

Well the theories aren't going away Ed (and I've proven over the years that I'm not either) so I'm sure one day we'll find out who's been correct all along.

Well one thing is for sure, you won't. Neither will most conspiracy theorists.

[Katman]

Well one thing is for sure, you won't. Neither will most conspiracy theorists.

So how do you explain Operation Northwoods Ed?

[Hinny]

Are you actually serious or just a massive Troll?

No answers huh?

[Edbear]

So how do you explain Operation Northwoods Ed?

You are rather slow aren't you? We looked at that some time ago. It was the Govt. that put the kibosh on it and refused to consider the plan which was put forward by Military officials.

The Govt. considered the plan ludicrous and there were consequences for the persons responsible. Don't you read much?

[oneofsix]

So how do you explain Operation Northwoods Ed?

You are rather slow aren't you? We looked at that some time ago. It was the Govt. that put the kibosh on it and refused to consider the plan which was put forward by Military officials.

The Govt. considered the plan ludicrous and there were consequences for the persons responsible. Don't you read much?

or to put it another way, Operation Northwoods is proof it wasn't a Govt. conspiracy. They planned but got their hands smacked as it was obvious they wouldn't get away with it. However the reason they wouldn't get away with it is because the conspiracy theorist are watching. What a lovely circle.

[Edbear]

No answers huh?

Your post was so way off the planet as to show you clearly either are totally ignorant of the whole issue/event or you are simply stirring.

You will find all the answers in this thread. But of course if you are serious, you will be far too stupid to read or comprehend anything.

[Edbear]

or to put it another way, Operation Northwoods is proof it wasn't a Govt. conspiracy.

They planned but got their hands smacked as it was obvious they wouldn't get away with it. However the reason they wouldn't get away with it is because the conspiracy theorist are watching. What a lovely circle.

Yup!

[Katman]

You are rather slow aren't you? We looked at that some time ago. It was the Govt. that put the kibosh on it and refused to consider the plan which was put forward by Military officials.

The Govt. considered the plan ludicrous and there were consequences for the persons responsible. Don't you read much?

It was a proposal put forward by the Department of Defence (you know Ed, part of the government) and rejected primarily by JFK.

Interestingly enough, JFK didn't last much longer.

Does the fact that a government department can put forward a proposal to commit acts of terrorism on their own people not shock you Ed?

[Hinny]

Have you done any background information gathering apart from that contained in the conspiracy theories? Have you seen how those buildings were constructed? Web of steel indeed I suppose all the video of the planes hitting the buildings were a Hollywood fake too regardless of the fact they were taken by private citizens using their own cameras.

Are you suggesting the outer walls were not a web of steel?
If you are, perhaps you should do some more reading.
Super strong steel box sections bolted together to form an outer web of steel with portals for windows.

For the columns that comprised the walls, a mixture of 12 different types of steel with yield points between 42,000 pound per square inch (psi) and 100,000 psi were used, while the interior columns consisted of a steel known as A36, a designation which meant it had a yield strength of 36,000 psi. The thickness of these columns also varied -- from as thin as 0.25 inch (6.35 millimeters) at the top of the building to as thick as 4 inches (10.16 centimeters) at the base [source: FEMA]. In all, 200,000 tons of super-strong steel (which had just recently become available in 1968) were used to create the two towers [source: Gayle].
Just inside the walls, at approximately 10,000 locations throughout each tower, visco elastic dampers were installed [source: FEMA]. These were basically large shock absorbers that could bend with wind pressure and then return to their original form. Because the towers were designed to sway and adjust in the wind, these dampers helped reduce the impact of this movement on occupants. It was the first time this technology had ever been used in a high-rise [source: FEMA].
The floors that flowed between the supporting walls and interior columns were made from 0.5 inch (1.27 centimeter) thick steel slabs covered in 4 inches (10.2 centimeters) of lightweight concrete.
Overall, 425,000 cubic yards (324935.8 cubic meters) of concrete were poured

[Edbear]

It was a proposal put forward by the Department of Defence (you know Ed, part of the government) and rejected primarily by JFK.

Interestingly enough, JFK didn't last much longer.

Does the fact that a government department can put forward a proposal to commit acts of terrorism on their own people not shock you Ed?

If you read the plan in its entirety, nowhere did it call for innocent people to be harmed. James Bamford claimed it did, but I cannot find any actual reference to that in the actual documents beyond outling the possible risk in engaging such tactics on the streets.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff are not the Govt. and as has been pointed out the event proves it was not a Govt. conspiracy despite the conspiracy theorists claims it was.

The plan was scurrilous but was doomed to fail.

[oneofsix]

It was a proposal put forward by the Department of Defence (you know Ed, part of the government) and rejected primarily by JFK.

Interestingly enough, JFK didn't last much longer.

Does the fact that a government department can put forward a proposal to commit acts of terrorism on their own people not shock you Ed?

That question is interesting not because of what it asks but the reason it doesn't shock. If you think about it it actually comes out logically. Military and quasi military organisation exist on the basis that some are going to die for the greater good. An army doesn't go to war expecting everyone to come home, they work on the basis of acceptable loss. Therefore a proposal from a quasi military organisation that thinks in terms of acceptable losses and actions in and amongst civilians it isn't surprising. What is worrying is that our Govt has now let our equivalent loose amongst its own citizens. The CIA not being normally "allowed" to operate within the USA borders possibly helped saved them from Northwood as they needed Presidential approval.
Still doesn't make the World Trade a conspiracy though.