The Vote, 22 May, TV3, 8.30-9.30pm

[ducatilover]

I,too, hate the name "synthetic cannabis".Should be "synthetic shit"!

You're dead right there. But, synthetic cannabis is the marketing term, it just happens to make cannabis sound worse to the people with no minds. And the media love that kind of word play

Many times it seemed the no team were asking loaded questions, offering incorrect sensationalism, being legalistic like courtroom lawyers, especially Garner. I didnt have an opinion of the guy either till tonight. Twat

Agree with Wayne getting the plate prize though, seemed a solid good guy

I don't think either of the sides could be taken too seriously, it seemed to be more about good TV than a rational argument, both sides launched in to immature rants. This is a common thing that happens on KB, this is due to somebody not knowing enough about what they're supporting, or why they support it (take Holden V Ford fans for example), this leads to the rapid rambling and confrontational/stand-over styles they'll use.
Then you'll get somebody avoiding questions with a snide, smug look on their face (general public don't seem to notice these people, annoyingly) who is in the same boat as the previously mentioned twits, but has a different way of achieving dominance, exerting arrogance.

So, I think some very interesting questions and some great information was on the show, but the show is too entertainment based and dumbed down.

When I debated (I debate all the time...) in College and Uni there was no childish twattery and arguing like such politicians and fucktards, you'd get kicked out for being such a diddle. No decorum, chaps.

[Berries]

Have been baling water all night so missed that and would have watched it. Always good to see people with no experience of something trying to offer up their opinion. The solution, I would have thought, is very simple.

Anyway, these K2 twats. Judging by all the ones I have seen they would have fucked themselves up on glue or gas anyway. No great loss. Just a shame they keep calling it synthetic cannabis when it is nothing of the sort.

[scissorhands]

The effects when smoking are very similar, syn does actually contain canabinoids

Someone who is going for a drug test and has to quit the real stuff, the syn does feel very similar

I did a few packets last year so direct personal experience.

The problem is syn should never ever Trevor be used daily or heavily.

That is when the psychosis and kidney damage happens

However, its mostly reversible from all accounts of hospitalised users.

Most recovering alcoholics, junkies and crack heads do recover in body and mind....98% anyhows

'public awareness of syn needs to be focused on excessive use'

the problem is real cannabis users are not aware of syn long term or heavy usage problems, as real cannabis is very safe even in ridiculously large amounts

[scissorhands]

Have been baling water all night so missed that and would have watched it. Always good to see people with no experience of something trying to offer up their opinion.

uuumm yeah, hate that
heres the run down of last night for ya according to
http://whoar.co.nz/

comment:..for fuck sake..!..the drug-debate on tv3..
Posted on 22/5/2013 by admin

ed:..first question/fuck-up of this show..

..why not just talk about marijuana..?..why mix legals up with it..?

..next question:..the ex-drug-cop sabin tells a pile of gigantic lies..why the fuck didb’t espiner call him on that..?..but no..guyon had his prepared question..eh guyon..?..unable to think on yr feet..eh..?..(literally)..

..first lie from sabin:..that marijuana is now 30 times more strong than it was 30 yrs ago..

..now..this is a pile of stinking/lying bullshit..(and is designed to panic parents of today who may have puffed back then..)..and what is the proof of that lie..?

..court records…that’s right..fucken court records..’cos y’see..each drug trial has tests of the potency of the evidence..and both here and in america..those court records show minimal changes in potency from then to now..

..(and anecdotaly i will back that up..the good pot now is no stronger than the good pot then..)

..big lie 2:..the ex-drug-cop then claims that cannabis is more dangerous than alcohol..(and i’m not even going to bother to argue that..anyone with half a brain knows that alcohol is our big killer..)

..big lie 3..ex-drug-cop claims that decriminalisation in portugal has led to a massive increase in drug-use..this is another absolute fucken lie..

..then a sth island small-town mayor gets all hysterical..and when called on her wild-claims..admits she has no evidence..

..a pyschiatrist notes that in six yrs..he has had one patient present with cannabis issues..

..the spokesman for the legal pot industry mounts a fierce/potent argument for the legalisation of pot..

..noting that not one person..ever..anywhere..has died from pot..

..some councillor from somewhere claims that cannabis is a gateway-drug..and spouts even more hysterical bullshit that the small-town mayor..

..which brings us to duncan garner..who is a total one trick pony..who only focuses on the legal highs..and who endlessly harangues/bullies the pro-team..and is a fucken country-mile away from being any sort of anything..really..just a loud/irrational bully..that is his one-trick..

..at the halfway mark..all we have had is hysteria about legal highs (80%)..and outright big-lies from the ex-drug-cop..and irrational hysteria from the small-town mayor and councillor..

..garner then goes for a prop-stunt..pulling out a legal high joint..and demanding the spokeperson for the industry smoke it there and then..

..garner then harangues/bullies..with his prop..and gets demolished by his victim..who points out to garner that if that is the best he has got..that he has lost the argument..

..the ex-cop/mp(who knew?) tells another bunch of hysterical-lies..

..garner then further muddles the two separate issues by asking a super-loaded question of the studio audience..namely:..would they want their 18 yr old daughter using cannabis and the legal highs..(it’s two different fucken questions..!..duncan..! ..and my answer would be ok for cannabis..but a warning to stay away from the legals..mainly because we don’t know what’s in them..)

..and as an aside..tho’ i think the legals are total crap..and should be all banned..(at the same time i want to see the legalisation/regulation/taxation of cannabis..)..i am puzzled by the likes of this small-town mayor..and the councillor..who are ranting and raving about the legal highs..and who i bet don’t say boo! about the booze-pushers in their community..doing far far more harm than all other drugs added together..their hypocrisies/double-standards are eye-watering..

..and funny/ironic story about garner being so anti-cannabis..just the other day i carried a news-report about cannabis being shown to help prevent diabetes..(something to do with insulin-levels..info in whoar-searchengine..)

..and given garners diet/body-shape/drug-choice/age..that anti-pot stance should be reconsidered by him..if only on those grounds..

..”put down that beer..!..duncan..!..here..!..have a joint instead..!..”

(we are next promised that matt bowden..and peter dunne..together..and when you think about it..they are remarkably similar in so many ways..eh..?

..starting with the (affected)-hair..and moving on down..their waffle/bullshit is almost indistinguishable)..in some ways..both leaving you uncomfortable..knowing you’ve been bullshitted..a verbal-version of checking yr fingers/rings after shaking hands..

..the final vote was 72% in favour of decriminalisation..28% for prohibition..

..which is a resounding result..

..dunne then peddles furiously against the 72% result..and says the govt has no intention of decriminalising cannabis..

..dunne then finishes with a big-lie..claiming there has always been that level of support for decriminalising cannabis..

..you absolute/utter fucken liar..!..dunne..!

..so this whole exercise started with big lies from the ex-drug-cop-nat mp..

..and finished with a whopper from dunne..

..and tho’ a dogs-breakfast of an affair..i am cheered by that final result..

..that calling for some sanity in our drug laws..

..and i’ll tell you one thing..dunnes protestations/furious spinning to one side..politicians from all parties will now be very aware of the will of the people on this issue..

..and they are rat-cunning enough to know that they will ignore/argue against that imperative at their peril..

..and that is very very good news..

..so..an ups to tv3…for dragging the issue from the shadows..

update:..and the (surprise) star of the event..was the spokesperson for the legal-high industry..not for what he said about them..but for the potency/logic of his arguments for ending prohibition on cannabis..and pointing out that if cannabis were legal..that we would have no legal-highs issue..citing those states in america that have decriminalised..and noting that they have no issue/problems with legal-highs..

..i have looked askance at that person ’till now..but his honesty on the lack of safety with the legals..and his arguments for ending cannabis-prohibition..have tempered that attitude somewhat..

[scumdog]

I noticed the K2 man rabbitted on about how nobody had died from using his shit and he had 'checked' with A&E on this.

But he quietly did not mention how many kids had fucked themselves up with his crap.

Or check with holding cells to see how many had to be held there due to their violenct/irrational behaviour, I was surprised nobody 'called' him on that...

[Banditbandit]

I missed almost al of the programme .. could not be bothered wasting my time listening to all that shit ...

I caught the last few minutes and I was blown away by the results of the poll ... sure it was not especially accurate ... but I expected a law change to possibly be ahead by a small margin ... not the whooping big margin it came in by ...

Thats hard to ignore .. and indicates that the majority of people in Godzone want a law change ..

[scissorhands]

TV polls have been around 70/30 and 80/20 for quite a few years now.

Just got back from breaky downtown orks, overheard 4 conversations about the show last night
'.....Politicians ignore at their own peril....'

[scissorhands]

I noticed the K2 man rabbitted on about how nobody had died from using his shit and he had 'checked' with A&E on this.

But he quietly did not mention how many kids had fucked themselves up with his crap.

Or check with holding cells to see how many had to be held there due to their violenct/irrational behaviour, I was surprised nobody 'called' him on that...

Totally agree.

A lot of hyperventilating aggression last night [thanks to Garner] meant that the truth was hard to find, as usual

I like Ross Bell but after Garner confounded him with courtroom aggression tactics in the first 5mins, Ross withdrew from combative argument.

he got the aspie sensibilities and thoughtfulness.

Its crazy that after all this National discussion....
the real time dangers of excessive use [of synthetics] are still not clearly highlighted for the wider NZ public

Same old, same old scaremongering and no real education

operation moderation

[Edbear]

I missed almost al of the programme .. could not be bothered wasting my time listening to all that shit ...

I augfht the last few minutes and I was blown away by the results of the poll ... sure it was not especially accurate ... but I expected a law change to possibly be ahead by a small margin ... not the whooping big margin it came in by ...

Thats hard to ignore .. and indicates that the majority of people in Godzone want a law change ..

I didn't bother watching it either, I've seen enough of these shows to know it was pretty much going to be as described above.

All those egos vying for sound bites, you knew in advance nothing rational would come out of it.

[scissorhands]

All those egos vying for sound bites, you knew in advance nothing rational would come out of it.

classic gotta laugh eh

[Katman]

I didn't bother watching it either, I've seen enough of these shows to know it was pretty much going to be as described above.

All those egos vying for sound bites, you knew in advance nothing rational would come out of it.

So you're speaking from a position of total ignorance then, are you Ed?

[White trash]

Fucken pot smoking hippies........

[scumdog]

Fucken pot smoking hippies........

Welcome back - could you please be a bit more forthright James?

[Edbear]

So you're speaking from a position of total ignorance then, are you Ed?

I'm happy to accept scissorhands, scumdog's and bandit's reviews on it. They match what I expected.

[scissorhands]

were you playing hide the sausage?