Race suspension for a K4 or K5 GSX-R600?

[jasonu]

Lets see if you have the guts to walk up to me at a meeting and divulge exactly who you are instead of getting perverse and ultimately childish pleasure gutlessly sniping away hiding behind a forum name. But I guess I need not hold my breath in the expectation of same.

I have not always seen eye to eye with characters such as Shaun Harris but at least he had the guts to put his name behind anything he said that not everyone agreed with. That in itself earns respect, you earn exactly none.

Poof.
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[CHOPPA]

I have ridden bikes at Phillip Island, Queensland Raceway, Pukekohe, Taupo and Manfeild on standard out of the box suspension and I believe I could have won at club level. In fact I did win a round of the VMCC and AMCC on my Dads road bike.

I can ride faster with better suspension. When I do have tyre or set up issues I have been able to consult the supplier who is at the track 90% of the time and he is able to make the necessary adjustments and swap springs free of charge.

Every rider will be able to go faster with better suspension and there will prob always be someone who can go faster on standard suspension

[GSVR]

Yes, rider ability is definitely one of the main key components but BOLLOCKS to some of your ''reasoning''. 2 riders exactly the same speed on say SV650 protwin, 85kgs, same height. One has bog stock suspension. One has internal fork mods ( done well ) and a fully sorted rear aftermarket shock that also fully addresses the geometry issue of this commuter bike.

And we are talking riders who race most of the year and not just going for a Sunday cruise. Everyone knows the answer and also that you are very confused.

Too true. Thats why when the Protwin class was introduced there had to be provision to modify both the front and rear suspension. It was a safety issue and if mods were not allowed there would have been lots of crashes and injuries. Not to mention the tyre wear issue with standard suspension.

But even with all those mods those Protwins don't handle anywhere near as well as a proper post classic or Harley Sportster. Probably becuase of all the HP they make!

Cheers Mr Taylor

[sugilite:Me]

I top superbike rider posted, when this was being debated on here several years ago, that Stock suspension overheats and turns to mush after a few laps! If the mods give me permisssion I will "Dredge" the thread but they take a while to find.

You don't need mod permission to dredge Gary
Though I'd hardly describe myself as a top superbike rider I think you are referring to a post I made. It was when I was at manfield with a stock 06 ZX10R before it got turned into a superbike?
If so, yes, I was doing 10's on it bone stock. What I was finding was by lap 3 the stock shock was overheating and by lap 4 it was snaking badly out several corners. The stock shock was badly over heating and it was brand new. That was for a 06ZX10R. I'm sure pro twin bikes would be different, even a modern litre bike stock shock might be different now, though I wouldn't know. Choppa summed it all up in his post very well, I've nothing to add to what he has already said.

[GSVR]

There must be alot of truth in it then as it was not you Tony. It was gixerracer. Had a good search but can't find it now must be to long ago by far.

Anyway I'm not fishing for Green Fish today wrong species.

[Robert Taylor]

Too true. Thats why when the Protwin class was introduced there had to be provision to modify both the front and rear suspension. It was a safety issue and if mods were not allowed there would have been lots of crashes and injuries. Not to mention the tyre wear issue with standard suspension.

But even with all those mods those Protwins don't handle anywhere near as well as a proper post classic or Harley Sportster. Probably becuase of all the HP they make!

Cheers Mr Taylor

The SV example is also in fairness a case of converting a slow steering and very ''soft'' commuter bike ( never intended for racing ) into a racebike. So the goalposts have to be moved a lot further with such a bike, than say a 600cc class bike much closer to a race bike in geometry and ''fast'' settings etc.

[Robert Taylor]

Poof.
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You sir are spineless, sniping away behind the safety blanket of your keyboard. I am currently semi inebriated in the comfort of my warm lounge after several galsses of merlot.

But in the morning I will be sober and you will still be spineless.

[crazy man]

You sir are spineless, sniping away behind the safety blanket of your keyboard. I am currently semi inebriated in the comfort of my warm lounge after several galsses of merlot.

But in the morning I will be sober and you will still be spineless.

and jason will get a good night sleep cause he has not riped anyone of

[Robert Taylor]

and jason will get a good night sleep cause he has not riped anyone of

Please substaniate, in full. My business prides itself on giving people value for money and if you want to make such veiled accusations behind the safety of your keyboard youd best man up and list everything that you consider has been a rip off and put your name to it.
This is low, even by your standards

[Drew]

and jason will get a good night sleep cause he has not riped anyone of

What the fuck? Poor form, very fuckin poor form.

Bucket racers, bitches be trippin!

Is there something in that come to think of it? Have you done much work for the toy bike racers Robert?

[Mental Trousers]

What the fuck? Poor form, very fuckin poor form.

Bucket racers, bitches be trippin!

Is there something in that come to think of it? Have you done much work for the toy bike racers Robert?

I've seen a couple of buckets when I've been in there. Defeats the spirit of the buckets class when the suspension costs more than the rest of the bike.

[Drew]

I've seen a couple of buckets when I've been in there. Defeats the spirit of the buckets class when the suspension costs more than the rest of the bike.

Don't be fooled mate. Some of those things are worth a fuck load to have built. They mostly just look shite.

F4/5 are constructor classes though, as is F3. So that 'spirit of the class' thing really isn't accurate.

[Mental Trousers]

Don't be fooled mate. Some of those things are worth a fuck load to have built. They mostly just look shite.

F4/5 are constructor classes though, as is F3. So that 'spirit of the class' thing really isn't accurate.

I guess. But nobody ever said bucket racers are sane

[Drew]

I guess. But nobody ever said bucket racers are sane

I don't get it really, but I wasn't any good at it when I tried to ride a couple, so that prolly has some influence on my take.

Got one in the shed that could be quite good, just can't be fuckin arsed with it right now. What with a cool fuckin tractor to build instead.

[Robert Taylor]

I've seen a couple of buckets when I've been in there. Defeats the spirit of the buckets class when the suspension costs more than the rest of the bike.

Yes Shane! We built suspension for one and the all up cost likely exceeded the cost of the bike. The whole point here is that the cost of building anything for such bikes is not indexed to their low value, it costs the same to build regardless. The customer was fully aware of the all up end cost and it was his call.
Rip off ? No! We dont engage in despicable behavouir like that, as you will well testify.