NZ A4-K Skyhawks will return to the skies

[oneofsix]

As well, yes. 100% agree. Aside from being almost totally defenceless ( Clarks disgraceful legacy ) its a real disgrace that we share the same lunacy as the rest of the developed world.....That being that the banks / financial institutions created a needless property boom that has pushed up property prices so much its now impossible for a very high percentage of our younger generations to get on the property ladder.
So while a lot of money has been made by some out of property its leaving a legacy of landlords and tenants with rentals indexed to property values.
The money supply should be for productive people doing something actually useful for the wider economy and employing everyday people doing fulfilling jobs, rather than money grabbing speculators.
Sorry this hasnt got much to do with A4s, well proven in Vietnam and the Falklands.

Not banks, they are merely instruments, try the Bilderberg Group

[imdying]

Skyhawks only made about 150 missions in the Falklands war, over 30 odd aircraft, so only 5 flights a piece. The Harriers numbered about 40 aircraft and flew about 1800 missiosn. One of those was well proven for sure. The Junta couldn't organise a fuck in a brothel, have a look at the A4s the yids were running.

[avgas]

I caught a glimpse of a billboard today with a picture of Nick Smith on it. Not a very flattering photo I might add.
It posed a question in large type 'Did we elect this man to run Auckland?'
Don't know who paid for it.

Has the Labour logo in the corner.

This one has the logo cut off - but you can tell by the colour

[avgas]

And I say again we have been invaded.
There are plenty of suburbs in Ak. that you can visit and have an 'in another country' experience.
That this Govt and previous ones have encouraged this is a National disgrace. I believe NZ. is the only country in the world with Govt. funds being used to encourage people to emigrate to their country.
Our forbears fought to stop this sort of thing.
The invasion of countries etc. is not being waged in the old fashioned sense. It is done far more subtly.
The Rogernomics economic model left out one extremely important element. That being the reduction of our population.
Concentrate our productive focus on those things we have a worldwide comparative advantage in.
We have about 150,000 people involved with agriculture providing the majority of our export receipts.
The entire population of Ak would have a less favourable effect on the bottom line of our Balance of Payments than one dairy farmer.
Sell on a world market and buy on a world market. - Free Trade agreements are what this is about.
No point in going down the Bill Birch road to success by reducing our Labour costs to compete. Half the world earn $2 a day or less. Do we want to compete against that?
I have heard stories of people working for Immigration that complain the department has been taken over by immigrants and they are not following the rules.
That successive Ministers have been asleep at the wheel is the disgrace we need to address.
You don't do that by paying out tax dollars to a Defence dept. to buy Strike aircraft.
To provide the capabilties to defend our maritime economic zone is of course far more important. Fisheries are another major contributor to our financial well-being.
I experienced the rape of our fisheries by foreign fishermen - Japanese lonliners with their dories a few hundred metres from shore. I guess they could be regarded as invaders. The adoption of the 200 mile economic zone shut that down to a large extent.
I have experienced the rape of our seashore fauna by the new immigrants 'strip mining' the foreshore. -No wonder the Tangata Whenua want to dredge up historical documents to try and prevent this.
Are they the only ones not asleep?

I think you have confused NZ with Texas.
Please now complain about the government taking your guns away from you.

Also I am confused, are the farmers more important or less important than the fishermen?

[lakedaemonian]

Skyhawks only made about 150 missions in the Falklands war, over 30 odd aircraft, so only 5 flights a piece. The Harriers numbered about 40 aircraft and flew about 1800 missiosn. One of those was well proven for sure. The Junta couldn't organise a fuck in a brothel, have a look at the A4s the yids were running.

A couple things about the Argies and their A4s:

They were working out to the limits of their range, even with aerial refueling.

Argie battle space persistence was extremely limited to the point of having to reduce performance for fuel economy to avoid having to ditch in the South Atlantic on the return flight.

They couldn't surge their A4 fleet into the battlespace because they only had 2 air tankers, which meant A4 missions ran 2-4 airframes total.

Their A4 fleet was in bad shape due to US embargo going back to the Dirty War a decade prior when the Argies were dumping drugged up student protestors out into the Atlantic from the back of their planes.

The Argies sunk HMS Coventry, HMS Ardent, HMS Antelope, RFA Sir Galahad, and RFA Sir Tristam with A4s.

The Argies also hit HMS Glasgow, HMS Antrim, HMS Broadsword, HMS Argonaut, RFA Sir Bedivere, and RFA Sir Lancelot with gravity bombs that all failed to explode.

Had the Argies sorted out their A4 gravity bomb fusing, partially/possibly due to extremely low altitude required to fly without getting successfully engaged by RN Task Force air defense(one A4 hit a Frigate's mast) it could have been a different ending to the story.

That's over half the RN Task Force combat vessels hit by A4s.

The Argies also ran a highly effective combat pilot selection/training program evidenced by the incredible results by the A4 operating at the extreme edge of it's range, with no precision/fire and forget weapon systems against one of the most capable navies in the world.

AND the Poms KNEW the Argies were coming.......with SAS conducting CTRs on Argie strike takeoffs and bursting it to Task Force Air Defense.

The Poms did a bloody good job getting the Falklands back.......that was no joke reclaiming them, but the Poms also got incredibly lucky.....A4 gravity bomb fusing is probably the one area where the Poms were luckiest.

[lakedaemonian]

If people want to talk about national vulnerability, it might be worth reading up on Huawei.

In our region, both Australia and the Philippines have prevented Chinese network infrastructure company Huawei to participate in national telecommunications infrastructure projects.

New Zealand is going to pretty much be based on Huawei.

If anyone believes that a Chinese made NZ national telecommunications infrastructure build out doesn't realistically present a grave national security concern for NZ probably believes in the positive power of rainbows and unicorns.

[Swoop]

Had the Argies sorted out their A4 gravity bomb fusing...

They did. Why? The cock-faggots of the media blabbing it over the airwaves.

... NZ probably believes in the positive power of rainbows and unicorns.

Those supporting the Lunatic Fringe party (GREENS) would be first in line.

[avgas]

This thread is going off topic.

Why doesn't NZ have some A-10's - we need an aircraft that takes some flack, easy to maintain and of course "cheap".
A-10 is an ugly duckling - but a proven one.

[huff3r]

This thread is going off topic.

Why doesn't NZ have some A-10's - we need an aircraft that takes some flack, easy to maintain and of course "cheap".
A-10 is an ugly duckling - but a proven one.

We could always build our own version using the PAC750 as a starter. Turboprop not jet though, but I'm sure there'd still be a way to put a cannon in there. They use it for damn near everything else!

[jonbuoy]

Could they not squeeze a few apaches onto Canterbury?

[pete376403]

If people want to talk about national vulnerability, it might be worth reading up on Huawei.

In our region, both Australia and the Philippines have prevented Chinese network infrastructure company Huawei to participate in national telecommunications infrastructure projects.

New Zealand is going to pretty much be based on Huawei.

If anyone believes that a Chinese made NZ national telecommunications infrastructure build out doesn't realistically present a grave national security concern for NZ probably believes in the positive power of rainbows and unicorns.

Hasn't Alcatel-Lucent been given the nod over Huawei?

[Hinny]

Saw an A4 come up the Whakapapa skifield one year. I was on the Milk Run and he was below me as he went up the hill. Had come in under the cloud.
At the Easter show that year there was a photograph of that flight. The photographer must have been close to me. Detail was incredible. Clearly read all of the stickers around the cockpit. Clear view of the pilot and of the people behind the aircraft appearing above it! Awesome.

[Hinny]

I think you have confused NZ with Texas.
Please now complain about the government taking your guns away from you.

Also I am confused, are the farmers more important or less important than the fishermen?

You are confused and you think I am too.
Perhaps you could elucidate. In what way do you think I have confused NZ with Texas?

The Govt. hasn't taken my guns away.

Farmers contribute the majority of our export receipts so they are clearly the most important people in NZ.

[Hitcher]

If I was the RNZAF, I'd buy a squadron of these: http://www.airforce-technology.com/p...-light-attack/

A highly capable aircraft and pilots love them.

[imdying]

Planes be fucked.. if they were wasting out money on combat aircraft, they should be looking at drones.