Paleo diet?

[scissorhands]

So it's an experiment now? ............... And improved "kidney function"? What did you use for your home renal health analysis? A taste test?

What you are prescribing isn't actually a Paleo Diet:



.....so I'm guessing you'll be picking all the grains and beans out of that soup mix (which will leave you with nothing) and avoiding the potatoes.....and the salt/pepper seasoning....and the chunk of bread and butter on the side? Hmmm, I wonder what you are doing for breakfast? Cutting out tea and coffee as well?.............

I really don't care what you eat, it doesn't even sound that bad, but you are simply not in position to promote a diet to other people based on one week's experience. Nor are you in a position to use whatever information you've found on the net to contradict people who study this stuff for a living:................


But really this isn't about diet is it? I'm guessing this is your Asperger's "special interest" of the moment? .................

http://suite101.com/article/asperger...erests-a251062................
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I'm not having a go at you, just trying to understand what's behind this new-found fascination and enthusiasm.

After smoking synthetic weed I have had weak kidneys. Possibly lung damage too
Not any more!

I'm not anal about diets, thats why I have lentils and barley....

Regarding paid experts telling me things- bah, i have heard some real bollox I can tell you, but that is a whole new thread....

Yes Its a special interest born of an inability of doctors to heal my sore tendons. No one really gave dietary recommendations, just stupid harmful pills. Even the physio and acupuncture peeps were fucking useless. Help initially came in the form of a Thai massage cutie who is an aspie too. She provided initial clues which I continued to research

this new-found fascination and enthusiasm??

This last few months:
I had to stop skateboarding and surfing due to tendonosis[doc said it was tendonitis....].
I developed an intolerance for sunlight and radiation from wireless and fluorescent lights, common with the autoimmune disorder lupus
I was waking every morning a 4am needing to pee, unable to sleep till 6am
I had sudden urges to urinate, poor flow, discolouration and other kidney function signs
My skin from the knee down was very dry as was the back of my hands


I suffered from dry hair throughout my life
I grew up backing onto the Penrose motorway, when leaded fuels were common
My dad fixed TV's at home and the house smelt of solder, and I was often near cathode tubes
My mum dished up ice cream or crisps every night after sausages, over boiled veges and spuds/rice/pasta

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I wanted to highlight how cellular degeneration can be repaired with collagen made from consuming megadoses of gelatine

I have stated prior that I consider this to be remedial actions, not a maintenance lifestyle

The impassioned rhetoric I spout is wholly due to

THE FUCKING AMAZING RESULTS SEEN IN A SHORT TIME

My kidneys were weak- GONE

My tendon would not repair- HALF REPAIRED NOW IN LESS THAN 1 WEEK

I was waking early-GONE

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I never expected such definitive and profound repair in such a short space of time

Thanks for meeting me halfway, I can be too challenging in my manner, please forgive me...

I was frustrated by the lack of good care, and am now over the moon and full of pride for fixing myself as stated above.

I feel very very well.
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Do not look at me, but take what is in my hand for you.
You will stay youthful through old age
Skin=collagen
Lungs=collagen
bones and teeth=collagen
brain=collagen
plus many many more bits

yes I have found a holy grail, and I am a raving religious nut job

[scissorhands]

Exactly. Calories are not the same, different foods effect metabolism in different ways. The calorie is just a stupid yard stick for food "energy" that was developed back when people did not have the scientific understanding/ability to further break food down and how our bodies react to it. The word "calorie" should be banned from our lives...it's misleading and calorie counting is not necessarily the correct way to achieve body goals. That's whether you want to gain OR lose weight.

My brain alone is more active, as well as in increase in general metabolic rate. However, any bowel spasticity has improved, a bit of a contradiction

Check out The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith to find out about the real dangers of vege/veganism

And for information that parallels the theme of this thread check out In Defence Of Food by Michael Pollan, and other books by him about diet.

Both books are very enlightening and interesting reads

Sir Paul McCartney was kind enough to bring vegetarianism to the west.... do you smell a rat too??

Bacon bones are a gift from god.

Try to keep it secret aye.

I'm paying too much at New World, but still cheaper than chips. The Waikaretu Rd has some good watercress I head.....

I R 42. For my entire life, well, for as long I can remember, I've been eating meat and chips/mash (some form of potato). A veggie passes my lips once a year, salad passes my lips in the form of lettuce once a month (used to be a lot less)... I've maintained the same weight for the last 17+ years. There is no reason that I should be the weight I am (108kgs) and I should be gasping for air everytime my arse leaves the couch due to my habit. I play 5's once a week and once up and running I walk off the other end in better condition than younger fitter men. 5 a day, bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa, that's a laugh. I'm supposed to have scurvy, but don't. I'm supposed to be unfit, which I am but not as much as I should be given diet and lack of exercise, the cardio Doc was pretty surprised at my normal blood pressure, I have a slightly elevate cholesterol but a lot lower than a few guys I know who eat well and exercise. It would seem that my body somehow gets what it needs. Figure that one out.

A great deal is just genetics.
When I used to live in Aunt Madelines Herne Bay house with 2 buddies of mine[one was a nephew] for free rent.... she was married 5 times, 2 husbands died as she was a party animal. At 84 she was shagging this drunken street guy who was 65. They used to get boozed together every afternoon till he dropped like 2 earlier husbands

One quarter Fijian curly hair and big ears... Aunt Madeline, not you Mashy

[Road kill]

Even though my wife works in the butchery department at our local New World we get our bacon bones from Pokeno Bacon.

Their smoked bacon bones are in a league of their own.

Four pigs trotters at our NW will set you back the princely sum of about $1.

Most people buy em' for dog food,silly buggers.

[Tigadee]

Check out The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith to find out about the real dangers of vege/veganism

'Nuff said!

[Naki Rat]

Even though my wife works in the butchery department at our local New World we get our bacon bones from Pokeno Bacon.

Their smoked bacon bones are in a league of their own.

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There's a world of difference between traditionally made smoked bacon and the additive laiden crap that you mostly find in the supermarkets, both in terms of taste and health effects.

[neels]

So you smoked and ate crap for 2 years, now you have gone to the other extreme and claim that this is the reason for improved health.

Could it just be that if you had cut out the crap and moved to a normal diet you would have seen the same improvement?

Anyway, I agree completely about avoiding processed crap, start with raw meat and raw veges and you're off to a good start, regardless of the latest fashion health/cleansing/detox diet.

And the basic rule of losing weight is, wait for it, eat less and move more. Too simple for the majority who are looking for a magic bullet.

[bluninja]

Even though my wife works in the butchery department at our local New World we get our bacon bones from Pokeno Bacon.

Their smoked bacon bones are in a league of their own.

Four pigs trotters at our NW will set you back the princely sum of about $1.Most people buy em' for dog food,silly buggers.

I was getting 8 for $0.55 from Countdown...my dogs love them Though it does look like they are running round the garden with a babies torn off arm in their mouth at times.

[mashman]

A great deal is just genetics.
When I used to live in Aunt Madelines Herne Bay house with 2 buddies of mine[one was a nephew] for free rent.... she was married 5 times, 2 husbands died as she was a party animal. At 84 she was shagging this drunken street guy who was 65. They used to get boozed together every afternoon till he dropped like 2 earlier husbands

One quarter Fijian curly hair and big ears... Aunt Madeline, not you Mashy

Genetics... I'm fucked, heart attacks and high blood pressure everywhere... so I'm going out in a blase of mmmmmmm, fuck that's greasy . The drinkers and smokers seem to last longer than those who quit... my great gran, 96, drank gin with a Dame Edna lookalike (they had the coolest booze cabinet, mirrors, cocktail shakers, millions of swizzle sticks etc...), and smoked like a chimney. Hope I got her genetics or this could be a relatively short trip

[bluninja]

And the basic rule of losing weight is, wait for it, eat less and move more. Too simple for the majority who are looking for a magic bullet.

Wow you worked that all out for yourself....and yet you are wrong at being right. This is the thinking that has spawned multi billion dollar industries but not stopped people getting obese despite the staggering number of people now working out at the gym with personal trainers and joining diet clubs.

Tell me, why do men and women (in gerneral) all get heavier and fatter as they pass middle age? Do they suddenly eat more? Do they stop exercising? Sure some do. Some may actually eat less and exercise more but still they become fatter and heavier.

It's possible to eat fewer calories and exercise more and remain fat!! You will of course lose weight but you will barely be able to move and will feel hunger pangs all the time.

The thing you seem to be missing is the effect of hormones on balancing the body; but keep thinking your simplistic but incorrect way if it works for you. Next you'll tell me you lean a bike over by hanging off the side instead of countersteering.

[scissorhands]

So you smoked and ate crap for 2 years, now you have gone to the other extreme and claim that this is the reason for improved health.

Could it just be that if you had cut out the crap and moved to a normal diet you would have seen the same improvement?

Anyway, I agree completely about avoiding processed crap, start with raw meat and raw veges and you're off to a good start, regardless of the latest fashion health/cleansing/detox diet.

And the basic rule of losing weight is, wait for it, eat less and move more. Too simple for the majority who are looking for a magic bullet.

I smoked afair bit yes, but ate well, albeit I did eat out. Every day I had salad a banana or 3, yoghurt, sough-dough breads.... In the last few years have not eaten fish and chips or burgers or pies more than I can count on 1 hand....

No I did not eat crap. The last 4 months I also ate Thai and Korean vege and meat rich meals 5 times a week.

I admit to smoking, being semi veg and never consuming meats cooked on the bone for some years. I also admit to being in wifi zones a great deal.....and growing up in a polluted environment thanks to my wonderful parents... but they didnt know better I suppose.

The synthetic cannabis may have more blame than anything else, but who knows??

Raw meat?? Raw veges?
Actually the longest lived people eat cooked foods. That raw food diet is bollox as it draws life force to digest raw foods compared to cooked food, as heat and added ingredients act as enzymes to help digest it for you. Like adding yoghurt to meat

Read about Okinawa, The Hunza and Equadors Vicabamba http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilcabamba,_Ecuador

Do some research next time

[neels]

Tell me, why do men and women (in gerneral) all get heavier and fatter as they pass middle age? Do they suddenly eat more? Do they stop exercising? Sure some do. Some may actually eat less and exercise more but still they become fatter and heavier.

It's possible to eat fewer calories and exercise more and remain fat!! You will of course lose weight but you will barely be able to move and will feel hunger pangs all the time.

The thing you seem to be missing is the effect of hormones on balancing the body; but keep thinking your simplistic but incorrect way if it works for you. Next you'll tell me you lean a bike over by hanging off the side instead of countersteering.

OK, seeing as you've bought in to the other end of the bullshit, I'll put it in different terms for you. Energy in = energy out = equilibrium. Increase or decrease one or the other = change.

I smoked afair bit yes, but ate well, albeit I did eat out. Every day I had salad a banana or 3, yoghurt, soughdough breads.... In the last few years have not eaten fish and chips or burgers or pies more than I can count on 1 hand....

No I did not eat crap. The last 4 months I also ate Thai and Korean vege and meat rich meals 5 times a week.

I admit to smoking, being semi veg and never consuming meats cooked on the bone for some years. I also admit to being in wifi zones a great deal.....and growing up in a polluted environment thanks to my wonderful parents... but they didnt know better I suppose.

The synthetic cannabis may have more blame than anything else, but who knows??

Raw meat?? Raw veges?
Actually the longest lived people eat cooked foods. That raw food diet is bollox as it draws life force to digest raw foods compared to cooked food, whereas heat helps digest it for you.

Do some research next time

Read it properly next time.

I said Start with raw meat and raw veges. Given that humans have been cooking their food for several thousand years it's probably reasonable to assume there has been some evolution in terms of digestion.

[scissorhands]

Energy in = energy out = equilibrium. Increase or decrease one or the other = change. .

Actually a doctor poster a couple of pages ago dismissed that simplistic thinking. The bone broth has increased my latent brain activity, which burns more cals just resting.

You should try it sometime

[Drew]

It's all a bunch, of hippy tree hugging CRAP!

[bluninja]

OK, seeing as you've bought in to the other end of the bullshit, I'll put it in different terms for you. Energy in = energy out = equilibrium. Increase or decrease one or the other = change.

1st law of thermodynamics is not applicable (law of conservation of energy).

Let me explain....why. You eat X calories, your body extracts Y calories and excretes Z unused calories. So you then say ...Fine....the Total calories extracted from the food you ingest must balance with the energy output of your body or the equilibrium will change. This is true, however it is totally possible (and proven in lab tests) that your body can destroy organs and muscle tissue for energy rather than extract the stored energy from the fat. So your bodies calorific value would remain unchanged, but you would still be fat as fuck.

Hence my statement that you are so wrong whilst being right.

I'm currently eating 50% more calories than 4 weeks ago, unchanged excercise and daily activity and yet I have lost 7.5 kgs whilst maintaining my water levels and reducing my fat % by 3% (wonderful technology in weighing scales these days). According to you I should be piling on the pounds but my results are the opposite.

I am certain that I will settle to a lower weight equilibrium but with much less fat. At that point I will have to upset the equilibrium if I wish to change my weight.

IF you were correct in your assertion that energy in - energy out = 0 = equilibrium then if you ate the right amount of calories in the form of vodka you would maintain your weight, assuming a balanced energy out.

Read it properly next time.

I said Start with raw meat and raw veges. Given that humans have been cooking their food for several thousand years it's probably reasonable to assume there has been some evolution in terms of digestion.

Wow...you believe that several thousand years of evolution is going to trump 25 million years? How long have Europeans been milking cows and drinking it, yet a large proportion of people ~61%) of african or asian heriatge have lactose intolerance cos they no longer produce the enzyme lactase in adulthood. I wonder f you fed them a diet of milk in excess of their daily calorific needs, would they gain weight?

[scissorhands]

It's all a bunch, of hippy tree hugging CRAP!

Who knows, one day the greenies may be promoting meat production over corn and spuds due to loss of topsoil....