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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Que the home built frame resurrection!
    Im thinking Fibreglass Monocoque .

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSVR View Post
    Dont actually need gears or mechanical control you just control the amount of current and voltage you feed the motor.

    The 100 mph TTX bike doesn't have gears!
    I was thinking more about conserving energy. Manually control the ratio, and peg the gearing back for lower revs through the twisty bits.

    I think it'd be very advantageous for the likes of coming down the hill at Kaitoke for instance.

    Since electric motors are meant to make 100% of their torque all the way to their rev ceiling like, I figure it's more economical.

    I'm not well smart like some though, so there's more than a strong likely-hood I haven't thought it all the way to it's conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSVR View Post
    Im thinking Fibreglass Monocoque .
    Glass is heavy though.

    On a similar note. The Swedish fellow who designed and builds LCR sidecar monocoque, took a look at someones carbon fibre copy of his aluminium, and was heard to say. "It's pretty, but not necessary".

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSVR View Post
    Dont actually need gears or mechanical control you just control the amount of current and voltage you feed the motor.

    The 100 mph TTX bike doesn't have gears!
    Bet it has more than 5kW though... its only once you get to a certain torque, or narrow operating speed range gears are no longer of much use. 5kW would still be a laugh, but it's more suited to joining the pocket bike racing than the bucket racing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Fuck that, two words. Variable belt!
    May be overkill for a motor with such a linear smooth torque curve. Did some concepts up for a 3 speed auto a while ago, just use centripetal and sprag clutches.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    I was thinking more about conserving energy. Manually control the ratio, and peg the gearing back for lower revs through the twisty bits.

    I think it'd be very advantageous for the likes of coming down the hill at Kaitoke for instance.

    Since electric motors are meant to make 100% of their torque all the way to their rev ceiling like, I figure it's more economical.

    I'm not well smart like some though, so there's more than a strong likely-hood I haven't thought it all the way to it's conclusion.
    No compression losses and bugger all friction losses in an electric motor, so any efficiency gains may well be canceled out by the decreased efficiency of a CVT belt drive
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    Bet it has more than 5kW though... its only once you get to a certain torque, or narrow operating speed range gears are no longer of much use. 5kW would still be a laugh, but it's more suited to joining the pocket bike racing than the bucket racing.



    May be overkill for a motor with such a linear smooth torque curve. Did some concepts up for a 3 speed auto a while ago, just use centripetal and sprag clutches.



    No compression losses and bugger all friction losses in an electric motor, so any efficiency gains may well be canceled out by the decreased efficiency of a CVT belt drive
    See, didn't think it through. Story of my life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    See, didn't think it through. Story of my life!
    Just don't try spannering on an electric without some forethought, one of the electric racebike mechanics dropped a spanner across some battery terminals, slagged it. I bricked a multimeter cos I had it plugged into the the current port and went to measure voltage
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    I blew the fuse on the 400mA range of my multimeter & I'm too lazy to fix it. Does that count?
    Don't you look at my accountant.
    He's the only one I've got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    Just don't try spannering on an electric
    Don't worry, I won't be.

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    On a different angle.
    How would the bucket fraternity react if someone was to turn up with a KERRS device or a Hybrid that used both electric and petrol simultaineously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    I blew the fuse on the 400mA range of my multimeter & I'm too lazy to fix it. Does that count?
    Well if you want help with counting, a calculator is probably better than a multimeter anyway, and surely better than one with a blown fuse
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    Quote Originally Posted by GSVR View Post
    On a different angle.
    How would the bucket fraternity react if someone was to turn up with a KERRS device or a Hybrid that used both electric and petrol simultaineously?
    There's a rule that says you can only have one motor I think. Someone referenced it at the prospect of using a chainsaw motor to power a supercharger that fed a drive motor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Glass is heavy though.

    On a similar note. The Swedish fellow who designed and builds LCR sidecar monocoque, took a look at someones carbon fibre copy of his aluminium, and was heard to say. "It's pretty, but not necessary".
    Dennis Connor may not agree. His Alloy boat was the last Americias Cup one I think. Youd only use plastic if you wanted to cheat.

    Saying Fibreglass when I should really had said composites.

    Like Lance Amstrongs "Trek Madone Carbon Bike"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Glass is heavy though.
    It's half the density of titanium and three times as strong

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSVR View Post
    Like the BSL? That bike was a laugh and a huge waste.
    really, if you actually followed it closely in the time frame they did it in and the improvements they made I dont think so.
    the thing that stopped it progressing is they couldn't test in on NZ tracks due to our noise restrictions and no point in muffling it and changing it's characteristics to test it here in different conditions.Seriously take a look at the BSL web siet and see that they make everything from cancer machines to other incredible stuff, don't write off new zeland talent and abilitites in one foul swoop

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSVR View Post
    Im thinking Fibreglass Monocoque .
    ha fucking ha, it'd last two minutes if that

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