ANZACs and war and stuff

[Hinny]

I accept what a professional pilot says (and what he says about reinforced cockpit doors prior to 9/11 is fact), and I'm being silly?

Dude, you are quoting an unnamed person, claiming to be a professional pilot as his sole credential, saying he thought it was unlikely the doors were monitored as proof of your assertion there was no monitoring device on the door.
FFS get with the programme.

Nothing to prove there was not a monitoring device on the door.

The questions surrounding the black boxes are a whole kettle of fish in themselves.
How could they survive when the rest of the plane 'vapourised' - to use the official term.

[Katman]

BTW, architects don't design building structures.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/architect

[Kickaha]

The questions surrounding the black boxes are a whole kettle of fish in themselves.
How could they survive when the rest of the plane 'vapourised' - to use the official term.

Just a guess with no official supporting information but they'd be fucking useless as a recording device if they couldn't survive a plane crash

[Oscar]

Dude, you are quoting an unnamed person, claiming to be a professional pilot as his sole credential, saying he thought it was unlikely the doors were monitored as proof of your assertion there was no monitoring device on the door.
FFS get with the programme.

Nothing to prove there was not a monitoring device on the door.

The questions surrounding the black boxes are a whole kettle of fish in themselves.
How could they survive when the rest of the plane 'vapourised' - to use the official term.

Shit, now you're being silly.


These devices are designed to survive a crash, that's what they're for
Do some research.

[Ocean1]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/architect

Very good. Maybe you really do get what you pay for...

Anyway, Architects make pretty pictures, the guys that design the structures are Engineers.

[Katman]

Anyway, Architects make pretty pictures, the guys that design the structures are Engineers.

Don't give up your day job to be either then.

[Katman]

Shit, now you're being silly.


These devices are designed to survive a crash, that's what they're for
Do some research.

Do you believe that planes can 'vapourise' in a crash?

[Ocean1]

Don't give up your day job to be either then.

That could be tricky...

[Katman]

That could be tricky...

Yes, I'm aware you're an Engineer.

Maybe you're just not a very good one.

[Hinny]

Absolutely, and Wiston Spencer made some shocking decisions. But to be similarly fair he had a record of not being afraid to be in the frontline. When he lost being First Lord of the Admiralty he went and fought in the trenches in France

Ian Hamilton was ''the Johnie on the spot'' at Anzac cove and demonstrably had a callous disregard for the wellbeing of the colonial troops he was in charge of. He just kept feeding them towards the Turkish machine guns on high ground.

The videos that play at the War Museum at Waiouru concerning those events bring tears to your eyes.
It is easy to see how US actions will be creating more 'terrorists' than eliminating them.
After reading the heart wrenching story of the result of a US drone strike in Pakistan I can certainly sympathise with those who may regard the US as the home of the devil and want to exact revenge.
It is ingrained into our psyche to exact revenge, through the modern media, and I suspect more so in many of the countries currently under attack from the US and its allies.

As for Churchill his stint in the trenches should hardly have been sufficient to right the wrongs. Falling on his sword would have been the honourable thing to do.
His behaviour it appears didn't get any better later on.
We now see the current US and UK govts. following his lead by ignoring the 'rules of war' - the Treaties and Conventions that are supposed to govern their behaviour.
To me that is as inexcusable as the modern penchant for kicking people when they are down in fights which appears to have led to the recent death of a young lad in Ak.
The age old 'Queensbury Rules' understanding that governed getting or giving a bit of biff when I was young has gone out the window. Similarly the Geneva convention is ignored by the monsters in power. W and his puppet masters had the Iraqis lay down their arms and then proceeded to try and wipe them off the face of the earth. John Pilger reported pilots struggling to find a target bigger than an outhouse. Obama seems to think he has the right to kill people around the world at his will. They justify killing their own people without any form of justice. It is bizarre! Remember the 'Butcher of Baghdad' - 'killing his own people'. Now we have the butcher of Washington killing his own people. It is as if he has been brainwashed and knows not what he does.
Mind control is probably more easily achieved in times of high stress. This may be what has happened.
The man with the big gun has a licence to kill - anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Don't need no stupid laws to tell him what he can and can't do. He's got Bebe for that.

[Ocean1]

Yes, I'm aware you're an Engineer.

Maybe you're just not a very good one.

Could be, you'd probably have to talk to my clients about that.


If you ever saw the need for an informed opinion.

[Hinny]

Just a guess with no official supporting information but they'd be fucking useless as a recording device if they couldn't survive a plane crash

Engine's be fucken useless if they couldn't stand the heat of a fuel rich, open air kerosene fire.

[Katman]

Could be, you'd probably have to talk to my clients about that.


If you ever saw the need for an informed opinion.

Clearly you consider yourself more qualified than these guys.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

[Hinny]

Shit, now you're being silly.


These devices are designed to survive a crash, that's what they're for
Do some research.

It would appear:
Never before have crashed planes vapourised; as both the Pentagon plane and the Shanksville plane are alleged to have.
Never before has a plane nose-dived into the ground and wreckage be found six miles away.
Never before have steel framed skyscrapers fallen down after a fire.
Never before has a kerosene fire and falling concrete caused steel to turn to dust.

To answer an earlier question about the hole the Shanksville plane was alleged to have fallen into - What caused it I don't know but people have proffered photographic evidence to show the hole was there before the plane crashed.
Witnesses comments that there was not a plane to be found were debunked by one woman who offered a photo of a 3/4 full jumbo bin of collected wreckage and stated that 90% of the plane had been recovered.

[Katman]

Any event of that magnitude should always have an independent investigation, but if it confirmed what the Goverment said you wouldn't believe it anyway and you didn't answer the question

The fact is Warwick, if an independent investigation proved beyond doubt that the official sotry was true it would actually come as some sort of relief.

I mean, who actually wants to believe that a government could be guilty of such a cover up?

If the investigation proved otherwise though, could you claim the same relief?