Well they're certainly not impartial.Originally Posted by Ocean1
Forum whore
Well they're certainly not impartial.
Forum whore
No I was writing with poor spelling, big fucking deal
Lack of evidence?
http://rense.com/general32/phot.htm
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...cy/q0265.shtml
Hey look there's even pictures of engine bits and other assorted plane shit, must be planted
There's plenty of evidence but because it doesnt back up what you want the story to be you ignore itThere are only two members here still posting in support of a conspiracy and they have clearly proven that they are impervious to actual facts and will continue to ignore anything contrary to their pet beliefs.
Time and again they have proven to be typical of conspiracy theorists and nothing will ever convince them they are wrong. Too much ego and too little brain, I'm afraid.
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
Shorai Powersports batteries are very trick!
Hardcore Biker
Had a quick read of the first link. Some funny stuff there.No I was writing with poor spelling, big fucking deal
Lack of evidence?
http://rense.com/general32/phot.htm
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...cy/q0265.shtml
Hey look there's even pictures of engine bits and other assorted plane shit, must be planted
There's plenty of evidence but because it doesnt back up what you want the story to be you ignore it
I liked this one:
theemployee "was thrown about 80 ft down the hall through the air. As he wastraveling through the air, he says the ceiling was coming down from theconcussion. He got thrown into a closet, the door slammed shut and thefireball went past him," recounts Hahr. "Jet fuel was on him and itirritated his eyes, but he didn't get burned. Then the fireball blew overand the sprinklers came on, and he was able to crawl out of the closet and get out of the building through the courtyard.".
and
As a Christian, i'm looking forward to the time when the Lord comes to take His own outta here, I believe the Bible points to the fact that it will be prior to the commencement of Armageddon, and probably before the time of the Tribulation. (I sure hope so!) BUT-- my beliefs don't stand in the way of thinking that perhaps there are men in this world who, for whatever motive, would like to hasten events to the Trib/Armageddon period of world history! And of course, God being soveriegn, I'm certain that He often allows men to do things and events to take place that will fit into His timeline and plan...yet most of the time, those mortals aren't even aware they are His tools, or sometimes, even tools of Satan. Then again, I'm not real worried about all of this, as it's all in God's hands anyhow, and I know I'm safe regardless!
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
Forum whore
You obviously found a different link somewhere.
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
Shorai Powersports batteries are very trick!
Hardcore Biker
You're funny.There are only two members here still posting in support of a conspiracy and they have clearly proven that they are impervious to actual facts and will continue to ignore anything contrary to their pet beliefs.
Time and again they have proven to be typical of conspiracy theorists and nothing will ever convince them they are wrong. Too much ego and too little brain, I'm afraid.
It seems there are 911 truth organisations for just about every profession there is.
The links I have been reading from yourself and others take up a hell of a lot of time. Simply cherry picking the info you wanted to convey would have been so much more sensible. By posting the whole link you leave yourself open to reinforcing the debate for your opposition as many of the links you have posted refute your argument.
The latest from Kickaha for instance was populated with quotes from unnamed commentators with stories supporting the official line.
It appeared to equally contain comments from people with stories challenging the official line. Many of these identify themselves and their qualifications that give credence, in my book, to the veracity of the truth in their comments.
Pilots with years of experience and ratings on 757 aircraft saying that it would be impossible for the aircraft to have been flown into the building on that trajectory for instance.
Physicists that point out the ground effect would have prevented the aircraft flying so low.
Eye witnesses that saw the aircraft on a different flight path to the 52 degree angle the official tale regales us with.
Photographs of debris littering the front lawn of the Pentagon has been held up by official conspiracy theory supporters as proof there were remnants of an aircraft evidencing the crash of the plane. These surface years later and contradict the photographs in the public domain which show the lawn in the early stages of the drama, before the outer wall had collapsed, with next to no wreckage to be seen.
Despite your assertions Ed, assuming you are tarring me with the conspiracy theorist brush, I have read screeds about the events of Sept.11 since the day it happened.
I have looked at the links you have posted and commented on them. That I found discrepencies with your proffered 'proof' has been studiously ignored by you. Instead you litter the pages with puerile personal abuse.
In my opinion that is an indictment of your judgement and close mindedness.
It is you who has steadfastly refused to answer questions, refused to comment on the specifics of points raised to counter your beliefs in the manner of a closed minded bigot.
You realise that you are fighting the call for an investigation into the truth of the events of 911?
Whenever people change their story when challenged on points of it makes me think they:
- don't know the truth,
- they don't want to tell the truth,
- they are lying.
I think the first scenario may apply to all.
The second scenario may have been exhibited by NIST when they said "We have the results and only we have the results" and "we can't divulge the results as a matter of public safety".
The third appears to be evident on a permanent basis with stories from the White House.
It may be that they consider Big White Lies to be preferable to revealing the truth of some situations.
It may be that the White House has become populated with pathological liars.
The rise of communication has revealed this situation with alarming regularity.
The belief that America is a benevolent hegemon has been destroyed by the truth of their actions worldwide and on a domestic basis as well.
Obama killing his own people, without resort to any form of justice, is illegal and immoral.
The fear I have is that our Govt. will be seduced by the stories emanating from Washington and be dragged into wars of their making.
The rhetoric flowing from Washington regarding Iran and the exercises they are conducting off the coast of Syria with 3 Nimitz class carriers are chilling indicators of the power of the hawks in Washington.
The fact that the intelligence community have repeatedly stated that Iran has no Nuclear weapons programme and d0n't have the capacity to produce a nuclear weapon for years doesn't hold much sway with these hawks. They are classed as a Rogue Nuclear state by the US and this view is promoted through the media.
The encouragement of Israel is the hypocrisy of the situation. That really is a Rogue Nuclear state.
Israel:
- 3-400 nuclear weapons,
- Won't sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty,
- Won't allow inspections by IAA inspectors,
- Almost constantly attacking its neighbours.
compare this with
Iran:
- No nuclear weapons and no nuclear weapons programme.
- Has signed the Nuclear non-proliferation treaty
- Allows IAA inspections
- Hasn't attacked another country in 300 years.
Who should we be aligning ourselves with?
The US, who have been in an almost perpetual state of war for all of its history. (Including wars against its allies)
The Rogue Nuclear state of Israel.
Or should we stay at home and stay out of the affairs of other countries?
Follow the advice of 'The Family Guy'.
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
Forum whore
from what comes out of there, I'd go with this one.......It may be that the White House has become populated with pathological liars.
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
Hardcore Biker
It was the first link!
The 2nd,3rd,5th,6th and 7th links don't work
8 is the same as 1
4 contains dross- including: 'Look closely at the released video and you'll see in the frames pieces of the airliner actually flying over the top of the Pentagon's E-Ring.'
Post 9 is a story from Dick Ewy, saying he was with his daughter and mother in law on a bus tour ... in Chamonix, France!
Do you people actually read the links you post?
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
In the riders seat
Go the ground effects
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...cy/q0274.shtml
Interesting what the pilots who tried the simulator said but I guess they'll have to try a real plane just to see that it really is impossible to do
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
Forum whore
Go and click on the first link in your quote, post 1008, it has nothing of the sort in it. You were obviously referring to another link somewhere.It was the first link!
The 2nd,3rd,5th,6th and 7th links don't work
8 is the same as 1
4 contains dross- including: 'Look closely at the released video and you'll see in the frames pieces of the airliner actually flying over the top of the Pentagon's E-Ring.'
Post 9 is a story from Dick Ewy, saying he was with his daughter and mother in law on a bus tour ... in Chamonix, France!
Do you people actually read the links you post?
As for the rest, you once again prove me right about you.
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
Shorai Powersports batteries are very trick!
Bogeyman
Nobody is impartial. As you'd understand if you bothered reading the link I posted.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Forum whore
But there's certainly those who stand to gain from a version of a story and those who stand to gain nothing.
I'm more interested in hearing from those who stand to gain nothing.
That's my opinion of impartial - but I'm sure you knew that already.
Bogeyman
Still haven't read it, have you?
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Forum whore
Yeah, I read it - I just don't agree with it.
I certainly didn't have a belief first and then start looking for evidence.
It was exposure to the evidence that led me to start questioning the official story.
Forum whore
He will never read, or acknowledge if he does read, anything containing facts. He will consistently respond with questionable sites and questions. All you will get from Katman is a deafening silence on actual facts. He is simply not interested in facts.
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
Shorai Powersports batteries are very trick!
Anarchic Wild Child
Are you kidding me? You're all still arguing over this ???
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
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