David Bain vs The Crown - game over

[scumdog]

The shell count is relevant because it proves the shooter had to reload, and the marks on Robins thumb bolster that very point.
I think only one (Steven) took two shots and one bullet on the floor, about half the bullet count (or just under) were left where they (the bullets) fell.

Even with the test firing of the rifle on the programme last night, the jamming was significant, particularly with the 10 shot mag.

About six live individual cartridges were left on the floor

And the rifle only really started to act up AFTER it had been oiled by the gunsmith.
Prior to that the 10 shot mag seemed to have the rifle up and running pretty much 100%

And in the assuming/generalising/guessing way a lot post on KB: I guess that due to the general unkempt, uncared for state of the house and the way the Bains lived I doubt oiling a 22 was a high priority...

[scissorhands]

western astrology and murderers lol

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ead.php?t=1650

[Drew]

we prefer the term fire arm enthusiast and suspected revolutionary.

Hahahaha, you're fuckin suspect alright!

I see where you're coming from but a 303 is a bad example. The majority of them are loaded just by crunching the cartidges straight down - no need to slide them back as per .22

Just out of curiosity, from an engineering point of view I'm kind of stumped as to how the shells get back out of the mag and into the chamber?

I imagine there is a threshold they have to be forced past for them to stay in the clip, is that opened up when it goes in the gun?

About six live individual cartridges were left on the floor

And the rifle only really started to act up AFTER it had been oiled by the gunsmith.
Prior to that the 10 shot mag seemed to have the rifle up and running pretty much 100%

And in the assuming/generalising/guessing way a lot post on KB: I guess that due to the general unkempt, uncared for state of the house and the way the Bains lived I doubt oiling a 22 was a high priority...

Was the house dirty, or just untidy? There's a big difference it the types of people who live in the two categories.

[Katman]

See, the way I see it, we're asked to choose from two different scenarios.

On one hand, there's the idea that Robin Bain murdered four of his family members and then committed suicide while David was out on his paper run, and on the other hand there's the idea that David Bain murdered four of his family members, then went on his paper run (all the while risking his father coming into the house and discovering the crime), then came home and hid behind a curtain in the alcove and waited for his father to come into the lounge to pray, then shot him.

I know which sounds more plausible to me.

[Katman]

Should we talk about motive?

On one hand you have someone who's marital estrangement, his depression and the likely exposure of his incestuous affair could possibly have created a ticking time bomb while on the other hand you have someone who had no apparent motive to murder his family.

At best, the prosecution attempted to suggest that it may have been down to a dispute over the use of a chainsaw, but even they gave up on that idea and instead chose to view David's lack of a motive as simply irrelevant.

[BoristheBiter]

Just out of curiosity, from an engineering point of view I'm kind of stumped as to how the shells get back out of the mag and into the chamber?

they are pushed forward by the bolt into the chamber.

[BoristheBiter]

Should we talk about motive?

On one hand you have someone who's marital estrangement, his depression and the likely exposure of his incestuous affair could possibly have created a ticking time bomb while on the other hand you have someone who had no apparent motive to murder his family.

At best, the prosecution attempted to suggest that it may have been down to a dispute over the use of a chainsaw, but even they gave up on that idea and instead chose to view David's lack of a motive as simply irrelevant.

who was the last one standing? that's the first suspect.
Just find it hard that if robin had done it why leave david?

[Drew]

who was the last one standing? that's the first suspect.
Just find it hard that if robin had done it why leave david?

Don't forget, no evidence of the struggle with Steven.

[Katman]

Don't forget, no evidence of the struggle with Steven.

There were certainly cuts on Robin's hands.

The defence even brought up evidence to suggest the presence of teeth marks on his hands.

[Katman]

Just find it hard that if robin had done it why leave david?

Maybe he wasn't in the house at the time.

[testastretta]

There is no proof that Robin had an incestuous relationship.

There is a large amount of circumstantial evidence that David is responsible for 5 murders. It is because it is circumstantial that he was found not guilty.

Of course if he didn't do the washing that morning he would have been fucked.

[Drew]

There were certainly cuts on Robin's hands.

The defence even brought up evidence to suggest the presence of teeth marks on his hands.

You'll get cuts on your hands, fixing shit up like he is known to have been doing in the weeks leading up to the event.

[Katman]

You'll get cuts on your hands, fixing shit up like he is known to have been doing in the weeks leading up to the event.

That's right Drew, you can get cuts on your hands from all manner of activities.

Even illegal ones.

[Katman]

There is no proof that Robin had an incestuous relationship.

So you're suggesting that the evidence supplied to that effect was just lies?

(As well as the fact that the judge chose to suppress that evidence at the first trial).

[Crasherfromwayback]

My take on it is that Robin shot them. David wrestled the gun off him and popped a cap in his ass. Sorted.