The Constitution. And shit.

[Drew]

Simple the thick fucken Hori's had not invented the 'pen' and did not have a written language.. Each wanker tribe could not understand what the other was saying . I mean common, they are thick cunts !

Unevolved is the correct term I think. Still, they didn't have any exposure to any other races to draw on and incorporate, to their own.

Thick? Lets look at what the people have adapted to in a VERY short 200 odd years. Pretty bloody good going really. OK, it was kinda forced on their people, but they master the same machines and principals our 'smart' people do.

BANDIT, I'm no good at this crap. You're the edgamicatered one with all the knowledge, you fuckin do it!

[Akzle]

Unevolved is the correct term I think. Still, they didn't have any exposure to any other races to draw on and incorporate, to their own.

Thick? Lets look at what the people have adapted to in a VERY short 200 odd years. Pretty bloody good going really. OK, it was kinda forced on their people, but they master the same machines and principals our 'smart' people do.

BANDIT, I'm no good at this crap. You're the edgamicatered one with all the knowledge, you fuckin do it!

you need more black in ya.



...bend over sweetheart

[Drew]

you need more black in ya.



...bend over sweetheart

Dinner and a movie first hippy!

[Ocean1]

This is another interesting phenominon I won't look up for fear of cranial implosion.

Maori and other Pacific Island peoples, are descended from Asia. How come they couldn't fuckin write?

They didn't do their homework.

[Madness]

Maori and other Pacific Island peoples, are descended from Asia. How come they couldn't fuckin write?

I'm gong to run with the likelihood that 10,000 years ago there were a small number of skilled writers in many societies, a trade if you like. If your trade was that of ocean explorer and you were heading to undiscovered lands in a hollowed out log, would you take the village geek who could write but fuck all else?

[Banditbandit]

That's a possibility for sure.
But, why was no written language developed with them? People claim there was no need, but if that was the case none of us would be typing speculative rubbish at each other on ze interwebbz.

Hmm .. there are only three known sites where writing originated - Sumer, MesoAmerica and China ... Egypt may have created a heiroglyphics style of writing - but evidence suggests that the idea was derived from Sumerian Cuneform ...

All other written languages are derived from these ..

Simple the thick fucken Hori's had not invented the 'pen' and did not have a written language.. Each wanker tribe could not understand what the other was saying . I mean common, they are thick cunts !

As above ... Sumer is Middle Eastern, MesoAmerica is Mexican and China is Asian .. how come you dumb white cunts did not invent any writing ???

[Oscar]

As above ... Sumer is Middle Eastern, MesoAmerica is Mexican and China is Asian .. how come you dumb white cunts did not invent any writing ???

Since you bring it up - Maori may be one of the few cultures in the world not have any knowledge of machines.
The definition of a machine is one or more moving parts that modifies mechanical energy and transmits it in more useful form.
The simplest machine is probably something like a woomera or spear thrower, which was known to Aboringines 50,000 years ago.

[Banditbandit]

That's a possibility for sure.
But, why was no written language developed with them? People claim there was no need, but if that was the case none of us would be typing speculative rubbish at each other on ze interwebbz.

Hmmm .. given that there are only three places which it can be proven that writing developed independently of any other culture ... the better question is not why did some groups NOT invent writing (which includes what people call Caucasian ... that writing is all developed from Sumerian Cuneiform ... and brought to the British Isles by the Romans - as the Celtic tribes (from whom many people here are descended) did not write - and had a variety of languages and did not understand each other) is: Why did some groups invent writing?

That is not an easy question to answer at all .. and never has been answered convincingly .. it takes a major conceptual leap by someone to independently invent writing - and clearly no white man has ever achieved it .. so don't crap on us for the same thing ...

BANDIT, wea yo at mah nigga?

I'm here now .. just not then ..

Still, they didn't have any exposure to any other races to draw on and incorporate, to their own.

Yes - that's true .. and that is the way the White, western world developed writing .. nicking the idea from Sumerians and using basically an Arabic alphabet ...

Thick? Lets look at what the people have adapted to in a VERY short 200 odd years. Pretty bloody good going really. OK, it was kinda forced on their people, but they master the same machines and principals our 'smart' people do.

BANDIT, I'm no good at this crap. You're the edgamicatered one with all the knowledge, you fuckin do it!

Yeah OK .. Māori between 1800 and 1860 became literate - zero literacy in in 1800 - 90% literacy in 1860 - that's the fastest rate of literacy acquisition by an oral culture in the world ... (and yeah - some of us can't spell .. just like some white people can't spell)

Cook records that he left seeds for plants on his first trip to New ZEaland - when he returned Māori had cultivated gardens and surplus food to trade with Cook's ships .. they jumped into the new world and capitalist with both feet .. and do very well at it ..

In 1860 there werer something like 60 trading ships in New Zealand registered to Māori owners - not white people - Māori owners ... they were trading around the coast of GodZone as well as trading with Austra'ia - carrying Māori grown and milled flour (milled in Māori owned flour mills), vegetables, seal skins, etc ... there was a thriving international trade based in the Māori economy ..

It was lost because of the greedy white settlers who wanted the land - forced a war and then dropped our people into the lower socioeconomic group as workers .. in our own land .. consigned to be workers ... set up Native Schools to train Māori boys to be farm workers and Māori girls to be domestic servents .. basically slaves in our own land ..

But that entrepreneurship is still evident .. Māori are one of the most entrepreneurial ethnic group in the world ... a higher percetange of our people are entrepreneurs than white people ..

http://www.unitec.ac.nz/creative-ind...eople_busi.cfm

a higher percetange of our people are in tertiary education than white people ...



And now I get to listen to the sort of racist shit many of you propogate ...

[Banditbandit]

Since you bring it up - Maori may be one of the few cultures in the world not have any knowledge of machines.
The definition of a machine is one or more moving parts that modifies mechanical energy and transmits it in more useful form.
The simplest machine is probably something like a woomera or spear thrower, which was known to Aboringines 50,000 years ago.

Do you count waka as a machine ??? It gets paddled (mechanical enrgy - or maybe a paddle is a machine?) Or maybe a carving chisel? How about a mechanical hoist ?

But yeah .. I get what you mean ...

I am not so sure that is a down-side idea ... given what machines are doing to our world I'd prefer the older culture ...

[Ocean1]

Hmm .. there are only three known sites where writing originated - Sumer, MesoAmerica and China ... Egypt may have created a heiroglyphics style of writing - but evidence suggests that the idea was derived from Sumerian Cuneform .

Pretty narrow definition of writing, dude. There were pictographic recordings used throughout many cultures, and I'm sure you know our alphabet has recognised pictorial roots.

Also... I've seen a knotted cord no longer than 18" that recorded the annual crop and herd details for a large Inca village. You can't write small enough to translate that into english on paper of the same size. That particular cord was 300 years old, but the technique in that culture is much older.

[Ocean1]

I am not so sure that is a down-side idea ... given what machines are doing to our world I'd prefer the older culture ...

Well, you would if you survived to your current age. Which you wouldn't have, you'd probably have died in pain many years ago.

[Banditbandit]

Pretty narrow definition of writing, dude. There were pictographic recordings used throughout many cultures,

Including Māori ... I'm sure that if you go to any marae you will see pictographic recordings of important events ... The MezoAmerican writing I mentioned above is pictorial .. as is the Chinese ...

But Duckonin mentioned "pens" .. whch set up that definitionm of writing .. and I would argue that it is a generally accepted definition ..

and I'm sure you know our alphabet has recognised pictorial roots.

Absolutely - Cuneiform is a little pictorial .. And an alphabet has only arisen once in human history - in the area we know call Sinai ..from the Semetic languages ... which is the ancestor of all the modern alphabets

Also... I've seen a knotted cord no longer than 18" that recorded the annual crop and herd details for a large Inca village. You can't write small enough to translate that into english on paper of the same size. That particular cord was 300 years old, but the technique in that culture is much older.

Yes - a similar technique was used by Māori - knots in a cord to convey a message ... these were called aho ponapona ..

But this is not writing ...

What's at the core of your objections ???? Don't like the idea that the Caucasian races did not invent writing ??? That Ragheads, Chinks and Chicanos did ??? Feelin' a little racially inferior and stupid ???

[Banditbandit]

Since you bring it up - Maori may be one of the few cultures in the world not have any knowledge of machines.
The definition of a machine is one or more moving parts that modifies mechanical energy and transmits it in more useful form.
The simplest machine is probably something like a woomera or spear thrower, which was known to Aboringines 50,000 years ago.

OK .. here you go ... not quite completely machineless ..

Māori machine for lifting ridgepoles into new houses



Māori machine for drilling holes in wood and stone (you hold the upright and pull the string to twist the drill ...)



Māori machine for felling trees (the head and point I is a sharpened ax .. so the action is like a bow - increasing the striking power of the ax-head into the tree) ... When the Eurpoeans got here they just swung axes .. a little primitive ...



(If you can see the pictures - go here .. they are all here ... http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/schol...1-body-d5.html)

[Banditbandit]

Well, you would if you survived to your current age. Which you wouldn't have, you'd probably have died in pain many years ago.

Yeah maybe .. as opposed to sitting in a corner not knowing which way is up and being hand fed by nurses ???



Or slowly dying of lung cancer caused by air pollution ???



Or how about Ebola/Meningitus/AIDS/ .. and any of the hundreds of modern ways to die ???

We may live longer ... but are we any better off ???

[Oscar]

OK .. here you go ... not quite completely machineless ..

I stand corrected.
Jolly interesting, too.


They never managed the wheel though - did they?