Another police shooting

[scissorhands]

The need for a 'separate' society is still relevant, especially for the young, who are now your rage killers.

Oldies can quite happily retire to their books and internet in the comfort of having given it a go, to find it wasnt for them.

The young who rage kill, are giving it a go but hating it, when they lose it....

Hormones and youthful scrappiness mean that rather than having a good bleat, and feeling better, the young cannot verbalise whats going on for them, then internalise their failings-suicide, or externalise-attack the society that has made their life hell

Reject the society thats rejecting you
spray and walk away!

[unstuck]

"Institutionalized"



Sometimes I try to do things and it just doesn't work out the way I wanted to.
I get real frustrated and I try hard to do it and I take my time and it doesn't work out the way I wanted to.
It's like I concentrate real hard and it doesn't work out.
Everything I do and everything I try never turns out.
It's like I need time to figure these things out.
But there's always someone there going.

Hey Mike:
You know we've been noticing you've been having a lot of problems lately.
You know, maybe you should get away and maybe you should talk about it, maybe you'll feel a lot better

And I go:
No it's okay, you know I'll figure it out, just leave me alone I'll figure it out.
You know I'll just work by myself.

And they go:
Well you know if you want to talk about it I'll be here you know and you'll probably feel a lot better if you talk about it.

And I go:
No I don't want to I'm okay, I'll figure it out myself and they just keep bugging me and they just keep bugging me and it builds up inside and it builds up inside.

So you're gonna be institutionalized
You'll come out brainwashed with bloodshot eyes
You won't have any say
They'll brainwash you until you see their way.

[Chorus:]
I'm not crazy - in an institution
You're the one who's crazy - in an institution
You're driving me crazy - in an institution
They stuck me in an institution
Said it was the only solution
To give me the needed professional help
To protect me from the enemy -- myself.

I was in my room and I was just like staring at the wall thinking about everything
But then again I was thinking about nothing
And then my mom came in and I didn't even know she was there she called my name
And I didn't even hear it, and then she started screaming: MIKE! MIKE!
And I go:
What, what's the matter?
And she goes:
What's the matter with you?
I go:
There's nothing wrong mom.
And she goes:
Don't tell me that, you're on drugs!
And I go:
No mom I'm not on drugs I'm okay, I was just thinking you know, why don't you get me a Pepsi.
And she goes:
NO you're on drugs!
I go:
Mom I'm okay, I'm just thinking.
She goes:
No you're not thinking, you're on drugs! Normal people don't act that way!
I go:
Mom just give me a Pepsi, please
All I want is a Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me
All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me.
Just a Pepsi.

They give you a white shirt with long sleeves
Tied around you're back, you're treated like thieves
Drug you up because they're lazy
It's too much work to help a crazy

[Chorus]

I was sitting in my room and my mom and my dad came in and they pulled up a chair and they sat down, they go:
Mike, we need to talk to you
And I go:
Okay what's the matter
They go:
Me and your mom have been noticing lately that you've been having a lot of problems,
You've been going off for no reason and we're afraid you're gonna hurt somebody,
We're afraid you're gonna hurt yourself.
So we decided that it would be in your interest if we put you somewhere
Where you could get the help that you need.
And I go:
Wait, what are you talking about, we decided!?
My best interest?! How can you know what's my best interest is?
How can you say what my best interest is? What are you trying to say, I'm crazy?
When I went to your schools, I went to your churches,
I went to your institutional learning facilities?! So how can you say I'm crazy?

They say they're gonna fix my brain
Alleviate my suffering and my pain
But by the time they fix my head
Mentally I'll be dead

[Chorus]

It doesn't matter, I'll probably get hit by a car anyway

[scissorhands]

The scary part is that song is a common tune in many homes...

Oh well, theres always the thrill of a ride to take the shit away
Or a box of beers

[Akzle]

Freedom camping is being phased out.

fixed it for you.

[unstuck]

[Akzle]

Freedom camping is being phased out.

fixed it for you.

[Banditbandit]

A question in your nerves is lit
Yet you know there is no answer fit to satisfy
Insure you not to quit
To keep it in your mind and not forget
That it is not he or she or them or it
That you belong to.

Although the masters make the rules
For the wise men and the fools
I got nothing, Ma, to live up to.

For them that must obey authority
That they do not respect in any degree
Who despite their jobs, their destinies
Speak jealously of them that are free
Cultivate their flowers to be
Nothing more than something
They invest in.

Bob Dylan It's alright Ma (I'm only bleeding)"

[scumdog]

fixed it for you.

Too many tokes - you forgot you had already posted this.

[scissorhands]

David Bains birthday astrology: http://www.thesecretlanguageofbirthd...r/?r=d20130327



Personality of The Day of the Originator
March 27 people are strongly individualistic. Like children, they are quick to learn, but once having learned pursue their own vision. In doing so, they acquire an unmistakable style, and an often overpowering technique built on what they have developed with others during their formative years. Exceptional people born on this day are originators, often the first to accomplish something in their field, but even those with more modest talents tend to make a contribution that is uniquely their own.

Despite their openness to new experience, March 27 people are very realistic and hard to fool. Indeed, some born on this day can become quite hardened emotionally as a result of the years of struggle they go through to succeed. Generally they are not overly affectionate or sentimental nor are they particularly understanding of the problems of others. Actually, they are not “people” people at all—it is their work, often of a technical nature, which totally absorbs them.

Those born on this day can have a strong scientific bent, or perhaps be found fiddling with things around the house, repairing them, or even taking them apart just to see how they work and trying to put them back together. Sometimes these highly technical abilities and interests can serve as a shell, a barrier to emotional expression. Those with this problem can become emotionally blocked, or break out of this straight-jacket explosively, jarring those around them.

March 27 people have an excellent feeling for social trends. As artists, business people and laborers, they are able to sense what will work with the public and what will not. This is due less to any special knowledge of human psychology than a purely intuitive understanding of society, its values and wishes. Those born on this day relate surprisingly well to groups of people, perhaps better than to individuals. Often they are baffled by human emotions, but because of their objectivity can be helpful in diagnosing problems.

Although not outwardly emotional, March 27 people are passionate and it is this intensity which makes their work strong. They can arouse emotion in others through the directness of their approach. What appeals to them is the purity of line and the strength of strong contrasts. Like children, it is the black or white of a situation that will dictate their reactions—they hate compromise and gray areas; lying (or hiding the truth) is foreign to them. Their honesty extends to themselves as well; they are therefore realistic in assessing their own abilities.

Those born on this day may be difficult to live with, as they are often preoccupied with areas apart from personal human feelings. Also, since March 27 people are not easy on themselves they are not so easy on their family and companions, either. Although they make good friends, they are not ego builders, and are much too uncompromising and frank to have time for flattery. Nonetheless, those born on this day do impart a certain quiet support and warmth to those closest to them.






http://saigonnezumi.com/aboutkevinmi...-rats-nezumis/


ARIES RAT: An Aries Rat is resourceful and therefore relies on no one. They often are the source of new and wonderful ideas, destined for greatness. Usually passive, when faced with an obstacle, they become quite assertive, even bordering on aggressive.

Suzanne White’s Description of Aries/Rat:

Aries/Rat is the cleverest, wiliest and most loquacious of Aries alive. Rats are sociable. Aries are affable. Put the two together and you come up with personality plus. Blend the Rat’s inimitable charisma with the dauntless self-assurance of Aries and you concoct yourself a winner. In bed? This go-getting person really delivers! He is no stranger to tender caresses and yet, the Aries/Rat fairly sizzles with raw passion. When he begins making love…

Source: http://www.suzannewhite.com/newastrology/AriesRat.shtml

Year of the Rat:

Rats are said to be imaginative, charming and very generous to those they love – although they do have a tendency to be quick-tempered and over-critical. They are supposed to make good writers, critics and publicists.

Source: http://www.new-year.co.uk/chinese/calendar/rat.htm

Aries/Rat:

These are secure, bold, go-getting people who cannot pass on a challenge. Approachable and captivating, Aries Rats can also be short-tempered and touchy, especially with those who can’t keep up.

Aries and the Rat Chinese Zodiac sign

You’re likely to be a Rat with ambition involving big plans. Chances are you won’t be happy remaining where you are for too long a time. Aries gives you the push to embark on new projects but not the determination to finish all of them. Likewise, you probably attack problems with vigor but then tend to back down if they are not resolved relatively quickly. This may have less to do with a lack of fighting spirit and more to Aries’ short attention span. It also enhances your straightforward approach, tendency to be careless with details, and your domineering side.

Source: http://www.firepig.com/firepigmagdet...?ArticleID=591

RATS:

Rats are famous for their quick silver tongue and their ‘accumulate and save’ mentality.Their natural charm and sharp, funny demeanor make them an appealing friend for almost anyone.

Below their apparent charm, Rats are keen and unapologetic promoters of their own agendas. Self-interest is the true motivator for rats. Greed can become a problem if the Rat isn’t careful to keep his/her priorities straight.

Their materialistic attitude notwithstanding,Rats often go out of their way to protect and encourage their inner circle of friends and family members.

The outside world might perceive rats as quick-tempered and sharp-tongued, but never boorish .Rats are a Sign that everyone around will quickly learn either to love or to hate.

Intellectually, the Rat’s keen mind always seeks out new knowledge, to be stored away for future use. This ever-curious Sign also welcomes challenges as a way to stay sharp.

A valuable lesson for Rats is to learn to consider others above themselves, at least sometimes. If they can develop their sense of self and realize it leaves room for others in their life as well, Rats could find true happiness.

Source: http://www.findyourfate.com/chineseastro/rat.htm

Water Rat

Water Rat – comes Yang Water. Water Rats tend to be adept at public relations than other Rats, highly intelligent and alarmingly perceptive, motivated by understanding and education, opportunistic and promiscuous representative of the Water Element.

Source: http://www.firepig.com/firepigmagdet...?ArticleID=490

WATER RAT Astrology
Feb 18, 1912 to Feb 5, 1913
Feb 15, 1972 to Feb 2, 1973

People who come under the Chinese water rat are very charming and smart people. They are perfectionist and leadership comes naturally top them. Water rats also have a soft side under their firm exteriors. They act as humanitarian fighters bringing happiness and smiles into other people’s lives. They are loyal and sincere and make very good friends. People who come under this Chinese astrology are generally very good in their career, but they need to balance their spending habits. They don’t take their love life casually and commit themselves completely once they fall in love.

Source: http://www.123chinesenewyear.com/chi...ology/rat.html







http://www.primalastrology.com/rat.html

CHINESE ZODIAC SIGN OF
RAT

Those born under the Eastern Zodiac sign of Rat are the survivors of Chinese astrology. Rats stay busy at all times, planning and working their way to a place of success, power, and pride. Rats have a ton of energy and have a hard time just sitting around quietly. They constantly feel that there is more to be done, which can cause them a great deal of stress. Rats don’t like to share their problems with other people, though they always seem to have good advice for a friend in need. Rats are extremely observant and perceptive and exercise good judgement most of the time. They are problem solvers who like to move from one challenge to the next, never quite satisfied with what they have accomplished.

Rats are surprisingly charming. For all of their time spent working they are typically quite socially adept. Charming, witty, and funny, Rats are a joy to be around when they can let themselves go and just enjoy the company of others. They enjoy meeting new people and often have a large group of acquaintances rather than a handful of close friends.

Members of this sign start life with an advantage. Their observant nature allows them to learn things faster than their peers, though this evens out by the end of childhood. Because of this Rats sometimes feel frustrated that success does not come as easily later in life when others have caught up to their level. Therefore Rats always feel that they need to stay one step ahead of everyone else. When this causes too much stress Rats can become tense, aggressive, and judgemental. Though they are always focused on the big picture, they can benefit from a change in perspective every once in a while. Rats have to work harder to balance work and relaxation more than most other signs, but their perfectionist ways can be beneficial to their livelihood in the long run.

Aries born during the Year of the Rat...

Rats born during the cycle of Aries are represented in Primal Astrology by the Piranha. Piranhas are always hungry for the next challenge. They revel in their own success and are willing to take risks that few others dare. The Rat brings good judgement and a survivalist attitude while enhancing Aries’ curiosity, restlessness, energy, and confidence. These are among the most likely of Aries to finish what they start. You can read more about the Primal Zodiac sign of Piranha by clicking here.






http://www.gotohoroscope.com/chinese...aries-rat.html
The Resourceful Aries Rat Personality

In the Chinese astrological cycles the Rat is presumed to be the first animal chosen to represent a five yearly reign. This is believed to be because the Rat was first in the queue to receive the honor by using their ingenuity and resourcefulness. Their clever initiative is believed to be present in all personalities born in their years. The Western astrological sign of Aries personality is thought to greatly profit from this creature's influence. An Aries Rat is smart, highly imaginative, ingenious and enterprising. They are usually super efficient, friendly and very enthusiastic about everything in general.

An Aries Rat has an extremely sharp mind that they use to try and acquire what they need or desire in life. These are good problem solvers and seem to take obstacles as a challenge rather than an issue. Decisions are usually well planned in advance with much thought by these characters. They have great diversity with thought patterns and can quickly evaluate ideas and people. The Aries Rat can appear a little unemotional and aloof outwardly. This distant attitude can often make these personalities difficult to get to know as they act so self reliant. This is because they are strongly self-governing personalities, do not like being told what to do, and like to do things their own way.

The Aries Rat does not seem to need many friends to be happy due to his or her independent nature's. They enjoy the company of others but are also equally as content to spend time alone. Many of these individual's may leave embarking on soul mate relationships until they have lived a little first. That is unless they meet their destined partner by chance as most of these people believe in love at first sight. Although they are not particularly romantic these personalities are rather sensual and loving. They will generally put partner's before anyone else and be very protective of their feelings and needs.

As the Aries Rat is so resourceful their homes often contain a few things they have adapted or made themselves. Their inventiveness and good imagination helps them visualize improvements and ideas for useful things to make. The Aries Rat tends to choose employment that makes use of their dexterity with their hands and minds. In their leisure time these Aries like to take part in sports and do a little travelling if they get the opportunity. They are quite energetic individual's who at times find it hard to truly relax as their brains are constantly active.

Apart from his or her occasional aloofness the Aries Rat personality has only one other weakness worth mentioning. This is their tendency to every now and then be a bit quick tempered and critical. This usually happens when an Aries Rat is stressed out and over tired. If they know themselves well it will probably be very rare that you will see any signs of this shortcoming in their personalities. Most of these people learn to not let stress build up and try to get enough hours sleep at night.




http://www.angelfire.com/realm/josel...vs_Western.htm
You are a great will-o'-the-wisp — you essentially live in the present moment and show almost permanent inability to turn back. Your entire life can be marked with instability, dispersion, the taste for game, the desire to be always on the move. Thus there'll be no likelihood of profound taking root in any field whatsoever. In other words, you're attracted by the ephemeral, the transitory.

Very resourceful, you like to embark on a thousand undertakings at the same time. But perseverance is the quality which you direly lack, and you may give up many underway projects which could have been achieved with a little more constancy. You can best succeed in all that puts you in contact with topicality or in relation with many people. Routine or constraints absolutely don't suit you.

You've a great taste for contact and communication. And this taste is all the more operative as you remain young a long time, physically and psychologically, and as you like laughing and enjoying yourself.

With your vivacious mind and easy repartee, you like to pull your interlocutors' legs, but always without malice.

You constantly need to be stimulated by new love affairs or different sentimental perspectives. Therefore, you don't dislike simultaneous engagements and unexpected about-faces. Generally, you'd like more to exchange ideas than sentiments for you're not particularly expansive.






http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/kalibubb...ese-signs-pt-3
ARIES / RAT:

Who is that Aries I saw you with?

That’s not just any old Aries. That’s an Aries/Rat, the cleverest, wiliest and most loquacious of Aries alive.

Rats are sociable. Aries are affable. Put the two together and you come up with personality plus. Blend the Rat’s inimitable charisma with the dauntless self-assurance of Aries and, well, see for yourself. This person is vitality incarnate.

Plans and projects boil over in the lives of Aries/Rats. On the desk in the den there are plans for a new wing on the old new wing, which Aries/Rat has drawn up in a fine deft hand. In the workshop there are four scale-model villages Aries/Rat has designed and will present to the city council for possible use as housing projects. Upstairs, next to the bed, sits a thick notebook full of Aries/Rat’s first novel. Down in the kitchen you will find the fridge overflowing with carefully wrapped planned meals for the week. It is impossible to keep up with this subject. Don’t try.

But don’t sit around and look unbusy either. Aries/Rats cannot tolerate idleness in others. They are kindly and will assist their loved ones in enterprises of all variety, but they will not invest time or funds in your plan while you lie on the couch for ten days watching your toenails grow.

Aries/Rats love a challenge. They are not afraid to take off into a strange cold land by themselves. They could open the market for humidifiers in the Amazon basin. Aries/Rats inspire confidence. They are not just good salespeople. But they are brilliant at the trappings that go with selling: expensive business lunches, gifts for the executives’ wives, champagne delivered to your hotel room and truffles for breakfast. Who could resist such open-handedness?

As for open-mindedness, well, that’s another story. Aries/Rats, despite their amiability and charm, are slightly on the old-fashioned side-especially where the fashion concerns a member of their family. Call it hypocrisy. Aries/Rats may enjoy a wild “social” life, rife with lovers and thick with intrigue, but they prefer that their mates and kinder remain straight arrows all the way down the line. “Do as I say, not as I do.”

Aries/Rat is a nervous type. If he appears calm and exudes peacefulness, it’s forced and false. Neuroses are always a simmer in the background. Life is never nearly so terrific as Aries/Rats likes to make it appear. Aries/Rats are impatient and sizzling with the spirit of “let’s get going.” They hate to be late and they never waste time.

Aries/Rat wants power. But he is not willing to take the heat that goes with the dominion over others. The Aries/Rats character is that of a slightly naïve monarch. The nature of Aries/Rat lends itself to ruing. But to be a boss you must also be a meany, play policemen, enforce rules and regulations. On the whole, subjects don’t “like” those who lead them. Aries/Rat, although position appeals to him or her, will not be able to put up with being hated. The loneliness if sovereignty would kill Aries/Rat. If he were king or she were queen, who would they talk to?

Aries/Rat is in a hurry. Lending a quick nervous mind to so many different plans and projects causes this person to wax edgy and grow pernickety at times. Aries/Rat is efficient. Why does the rest of the world have to be so indolent, so uninvolved, so free from worry and care? How dare they take time to smell the roses? There is no time. It’s already scheduled for a meeting, an errand, a buying spree, a committee luncheon or a ceremony. Aries/Rats don’t give poetry much quarter. They can’t. They really are too busy being busy.

Aries benefits from being born in Rat years. The added Rat guile gives the Ram a better chance at success. With a dose of Rat wisdom thrown in, the excessive Aries will be curtailed. Aries/Rat knows how to fight. But unlike other Aries subjects, he will never stoop to street scrapping or conscious vulgarity. The Aries/Rat is after bigger quarry than a mere physical victory. Aries/Rat wants moral triumphs… and lots of money to go with them.

LOVE

In the beginning, Aries/Rat never has much trouble with love. The young Aries/Rat is energetic, attractive and wily enough to seduce and conquer easily. Moreover, the younger they are, the more flexible and gentle the Aries/Rat allow themselves to be So parties and dancing, dates galore and even some social drinking will play a big part in the Aries/Rat’s early adult life.

But middle age, work, responsibility, kids, social status and the necessity to acquire material wealth has a toning-down effect on this subject. Aries/Rat mellow backward. That is, they start out tender and gentle, funny and silly, and by middle age take every love affair as seriously as Hiroshima.

This reversal of the fun-in-love pattern stems from the grown-up Aries/Rat’s unhealthy preoccupation with doing the right thing. Where most people loosen up as they grow into their thirties and forties, the Aries/Rat tightens and panics. Am I old? Am I ugly? Should I diet? Will I please? As an adult, the Aries/Rat is plagued by self-doubt in love. For this reason, when an Aries/Rat of a certain experience falls in love, you can hear the thud for a thousand miles around. Beware of the elder Aries/Rat who adores you, calls you thirty times a day and sends you so many flowers you’ll wake up one day and think you’re already in your coffin… wreaths of roses, baskets of posies, truckloads of gladiolas. It’s love, Aries/Rat style.

COMPATIBILITIES
(applies to all human beings evolving around you –whatever the link)

You ought to go looking for a Gemini (born in May or June) / Dragon (born between Feb./1988 and Feb./1989 or Feb./2000 and Feb./2001) or Ox (born between Feb./1997 and Feb./1998 or Feb./2009 and Feb./2010), a Leo (born in July or August) / Dragon or Leo / Ox, or even a rollicking Sagittarius (born in November or December) / Monkey (born between Feb./1992 and Feb./1993 or Feb./2004 and Feb./2005). Aquarians (born in January or February) of the Pig years (born between Feb./1995 and Feb./1996 or Feb./2007 and Feb./2008) or even persuasion will lighten your spirits, too. Stay away from Cancer (born in June or July) / Cats (born between Feb./1999 and Feb./2000) and Capricorns (born in December or January) born in Horse years (born between Feb./1990 and Feb./1991 or Feb./2002 and Feb./2003). You don’t see eye to eye on important subjects – like money!

HOME AND FAMILY

Oh, to have an Aries/Rat parent! Talk about involved, this person digs in with both hands and lives vicariously everything the children do, from their first drool to their final wave as they go off to college. Mother Aries/Rat makes clothes for her children and costumes for the school play. She bakes cookies for the Sunday school bazaar and volunteers to direct and produce the kids’ senior play. Father Aries/Rat heft their kids over rocks and rills at age two just to get them out into nature, tech them about birds – and to show them all the property they will inherit one day. As a parent, Aries/Rat is wonderful, responsible and lovingly strict.

As brothers or sisters, Aries/Rat are not so laudable. They tend to be critical of their siblings and feel superior to them. Aries/Rat might be the one to take on the raison of a nephew or niece because the child is difficult at home, or because of illness or divorce. But don’t think that Aries/Rat charity is free. The Aries/Rat will never let you forget how “good” he/she has been.

Aries/Rat children are great fun. They are energetic in the extreme, but they usually are not naughty or unruly. Aries/Rat kids love taking part in sports or other extracurricular activities. They will be popular and work well in class. At home, they must be reminded to take time away from hobbies to do homework. They will be talented for art. This must be encouraged. Never humiliate an Aries/Rat child. You will not be forgiven.

PROFESSION

It’s hardly necessary to tell you that Aries/Rats are incurably ambitious. They like to work – on anything and everything. They are always gifted for their profession. They take joy in planning and organizing, finding things out and even in filling out boring administrative forms. Success arrives at Aries/Rat’s doorstep without any apparent effort being made to attract it. Aries/Rat is not interested in living poorly or in feeling inferior to his neighbours and coworkers. Therefore, Aries/Rat, who has energy to expend anyway and never shirks chores, is a natural achiever.

If I had to hire someone and I had to choose among several candidates, I’d look for the Aries/Rat in the lot. They are not only vibrant and intelligent, but they are loyal to any cause they take up. You couldn’t ask for a more committed employee. You might, however, be surprised at the cost of this commitment to your monthly payroll. Aries/Rats do not work for peanuts. They do wonderful jobs at whatever they do, so it’s probably worth it. But if you’re looking for a bargain basement sales manager, don’t hire an Aries/Rat. They never give up until they have earned “enough” money, which is about one million more than is “enough” for me or you. Aries/Rats like luxury and are not afraid to go after it.

[scumdog]

Eff-me, who the hell can be buggered reading all that shit?

ESPECIALLY as it's astrology clap-trap...

[scissorhands]

The gist is probably something like an aggressive self serving narcissist whos into money.....

[Banditbandit]

David Bains birthday astrology:

I'm terribly sorry - but can you go and be autistic somewhere else for a while please ...

[Smifffy]

well thats exactly what happens

you ostrasize people , ie remove them , either by phyisical or emotional means and you start to create "unstable " beings

if you treat em like cunts they will be cunts , it aint rocket science

Stephen

Then again most cunts get treated perfectly normally until they start acting like cunts.

Cunts act like cunts and they get treated like cunts.

[scissorhands]

Then again most cunts get treated perfectly normally until they start acting like cunts.

Cunts act like cunts and they get treated like cunts.

So all those school kids who get bullied are cunts?

Maybe some times when the cops act like judge, jury and executioner...
they may have it wrong?

The logic told me once by a cop was:
well nobody else likes you, so the problem must be with you.

[Smifffy]

So all those school kids who get bullied are cunts?

Maybe some times when the cops act like judge, jury and executioner...
they may have it wrong?

The logic told me once by a cop was:
well nobody else likes you, so the problem must be with you.

No, most times it's the bullies that are the cunts, and in later life it's the bullies rather than the picked on kids that go on to do cunty things.

FWIW my earlier sweeping generalisation was in regard to adults not kids.