The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Scuba_Steve]

Oscar... Your location says it all really. Must be peaceful being so ignorant, you know, until that ignorance catches up with you.

[Oscar]

Oscar... Your location says it all really. Must be peaceful being so ignorant, you know, until that ignorance catches up with you.

Your post says much about you.
Mainly that you have no cogent answer, and that lacking the brains to address the issue, you resort to abuse.

Why don't you address the issue?
Perhaps you would enlighten me about why my post was "ignorant"?

[puddytat]

Really?

Have you been forcibly conscripted lately?
Moved on by Cops whilst talking to your mates in the street?
Been stopped by the cops and asked to prove that you have "visible means of support"?
Paid a govt mandated price for goods and services?
Had the Govt regulate your ability to buy goods overseas?
Made to join a Union against your will?

Take off your foil hat and smell the roses.

1: no, but there's plenty of countries where the laws exist to allow it....some of them close allies & no doubt the capacity would exist in either existing legislation or fast tracked using the legislation due to Earthquake canterbury.
2: yes
3:Not that exactly but the Police here only need to deem you suspicious to check your shit.
4:Petrol would be one wouldnt it? Power 'd be another
5:Muldoon times....
6:Never....always been voluntary for me.

[mashman]

Really?

Have you been forcibly conscripted lately?
Moved on by Cops whilst talking to your mates in the street?
Been stopped by the cops and asked to prove that you have "visible means of support"?
Paid a govt mandated price for goods and services?
Had the Govt regulate your ability to buy goods overseas?
Made to join a Union against your will?

Take off your foil hat and smell the roses.

Have you been forcibly conscripted lately? Yes. It happened at birth.
Moved on by Cops whilst talking to your mates in the street? Yes. Searched too.
Been stopped by the cops and asked to prove that you have "visible means of support"? Yes. They once asked if I was able to stand.
Paid a govt mandated price for goods and services? ACC.
Had the Govt regulate your ability to buy goods overseas? Yes. Embargo's on various country's.
Made to join a Union against your will? Yes. Not recently since right whinge govts have all but destroyed compulsory membership... although in its place I have Kiwisaver that I am forced to join against my will.

[Oscar]

1: no, but there's plenty of countries where the laws exist to allow it....some of them close allies & no doubt the capacity would exist in either existing legislation or fast tracked using the legislation due to Earthquake canterbury.
2: yes
3:Not that exactly but the Police here only need to deem you suspicious to check your shit.
4:Petrol would be one wouldnt it? Power 'd be another
5:Muldoon times....
6:Never....always been voluntary for me.

The point is that no matter how much people piss and moan, we have more freedoms than we did even a generation ago.

As for your answer:

1. Name a close ally that has conscription?
2. You'd be lucky to find a cop on the street these days. As late as the 70's plod would move you on as you were standing innocently talking to your mates.
3. If they deemed you suspicious back in the day, you were likely to get a clip around the ear, or a night in stir.
4. Google the MRP debacle.
5. Yup. And prior to that, you needed "overseas funds" to buy a new bike.
6. Compulsary Unionism was only recently overturned. Late 80's? Early 90's?

[oldrider]

The point is that no matter how much people piss and moan, we have more freedoms than we did even a generation ago.

As for your answer:

1. Name a close ally that has conscription?
2. You'd be lucky to find a cop on the street these days. As late as the 70's plod would move you on as you were standing innocently talking to your mates.
3. If they deemed you suspicious back in the day, you were likely to get a clip around the ear, or a night in stir.
4. Google the MRP debacle.
5. Yup. And prior to that, you needed "overseas funds" to buy a new bike.
6. Compulsary Unionism was only recently overturned. Late 80's? Early 90's?

True, you raise some good points there if I really stop and think about it.

[Scuba_Steve]

The point is that no matter how much people piss and moan, we have more freedoms than we did even a generation ago.

How do you figure that?
I cannot modify my vehicles at will anymore
I no longer have freedom of religion, I am forced to pay Al Gore for a religious belief I do not subscribe to ("Global Warming" if anyones confused)
I no longer have the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty
I no longer have the right to be free from unreasonable search & seizure, set to be made worse by the Govts lapdogs being allowed to spy on NZers OIA free
I no longer have the freedom to censor myself or my own family
I no longer have the freedom of choices when it comes to food sources

What freedoms have I gained? My legally given freedoms are being ignored & eroded, my freedoms to do things for myself are being taken away, how do I now have greater freedoms??? Name some of these freedoms I have gained over a Generation or 2 ago

[puddytat]

policy regarding conscription
http://chartsbin.com/view/1887

I agree with you on having more freedoms or rights but its the worrying trend to re-legislate these rights under the auspices of Security & Terror or hamstringing our laws with Trade agreements. Or simply ignoring the law when it suits.
And it being up to numpties like Dunne to get them through. Winnie'd be the same I reckon if the shoe was on the other foot....

[Oscar]

http://chartsbin.com/view/1887.......Countries policy regarding conscription

I agree with you on having more freedoms or rights but its the worrying trend to re-legislate these rights under the auspices of Security & Terror or hamstringing our laws with Trade agreements. Or simply ignoring the law when it suits.
And it being up to numpties like Dunne to get them through. Winnie'd be the same I reckon if the shoe was on the other foot....

404 Error.

I reckon Key would have threatened Dunne with going to the country.
With the Nats high in the polls and Dunne in trouble, a snap election would have been a good stick to beat him with...

[puddytat]

link fixed.
In regards Dunne...yep thats a big enough stick or maybe a seat on something after the election?
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/07/23...were-for-real/

Snap election? If the numbers are good but the ruckus to loud & with Labour foundering.......Quite on the cards.

[Oscar]

How do you figure that?
I cannot modify my vehicles at will anymore
I no longer have freedom of religion, I am forced to pay Al Gore for a religious belief I do not subscribe to ("Global Warming" if anyones confused)
I no longer have the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty
I no longer have the right to be free from unreasonable search & seizure, set to be made worse by the Govts lapdogs being allowed to spy on NZers OIA free
I no longer have the freedom to censor myself or my own family
I no longer have the freedom of choices when it comes to food sources

What freedoms have I gained? My legally given freedoms are being ignored & eroded, my freedoms to do things for myself are being taken away, how do I now have greater freedoms??? Name some of these freedoms I have gained over a Generation or 2 ago

Most of those freedoms you never had in the first place.
Censorship is nothing new.
Freedom of choice in food sources? Oh yeah - everyone had the freedom to buy macro-biotic organic fair trade coffee beans in the 70's

As for freedoms you have gained in the past couple of generations, I've already mentioned some of those, but you may add the freedom to lack comprehension whilst reading.

[Oscar]

link fixed.
In regards Dunne...yep thats a big enough stick or maybe a seat on something after the election?

I don't know - is he that popular with the Nats?
Do they actually need him?
After his recent activites, the Nats would easily grab his seat.

[Oscar]

Snap election? If the numbers are good but the ruckus to loud & with Labour foundering.......Quite on the cards.

You read it here first...

[puddytat]

Popular maybe , needed they have.
Well he'll still get free Air travel regardless,& yep the Nats will go for his seat

[Scuba_Steve]

Most of those freedoms you never had in the first place.
Censorship is nothing new.
Freedom of choice in food sources? Oh yeah - everyone had the freedom to buy macro-biotic organic fair trade coffee beans in the 70's

As for freedoms you have gained in the past couple of generations, I've already mentioned some of those, but you may add the freedom to lack comprehension whilst reading.

Censorship may not be new but making it illegal for me to buy my kid GTA, Gears Of War, Uncharted, Killzone, Halo etc is new
Choice of food sources I'm talking you used to able to buy a beast of your neighbour or trade him, tis illegal to do this now & they're working on making farmers markets illegal