The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[scumdog]

Yeah, well while you're waiting for the National Party Brownleeshirts to knock your door down and disappear you for saying "I don't like John Key", I have this really nice bridge for sale...

And I have brand-new foil hats for sale...

[Scuba_Steve]

I've got plenty.
Tell us about how you opt out of the democractic process, but still want to have your own economic system.
How will you achieve that? A coup de stupid ?

I must say it is quite amusing how you seem to think there's a democratic process to opt out of. Just a heads up the easter bunny doesn't exist either

[scumdog]

You worry too much - I think I'll add you to the list with Mashman and Akzle!

Now add gwigs I reckon...

[Swoop]

Terrorism is the threat du jour but in reality its rare. High tech surveillance is used to discover drug trafficking, human smuggling, illegal arms trading, fraud across international borders, crime.

You can add to that list "military operations".
People think the battles in Afghanistan were caused by combatants bumping into each other? The collection of data was first and foremost, from phone calls, cellular data, computers and all of their data "footprints" they leave.
Analysts churned this over and filtered all sorts of crap out of the equation and what were left were trails and clues to firmly follow up with troops on the ground.
Osama's "middle management" structure was tracked down one by one. Their capture and elimination provided more paper and electronic documents to add to the "information cache" that could fill in the blanks of the jigsaw puzzle.

Electronic surveillance and general intelligence is a powerful tool... in the right hands.

[Oscar]

I must say it is quite amusing how you seem to think there's a democratic process to opt out of. Just a heads up the easter bunny doesn't exist either

I think it's farkin' funny how you half wit lefty whingers tell us there's no democratic process just because you aren't getting your own way.

[Scuba_Steve]

And I have brand-new foil hats for sale...

Must be why you're not worried about the impending downfall of NZ then ay

[scissorhands]

I know that TPTB can do much worse than they have been doing here.....they do pretty bad things elsewhere.

However, we must also accept that this planet is going to change and rather rapidly, if you have had a look at the Quadrennial Defense Review Report you will see that the problems humanity is going to face actually call for measures to control the public.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...icably-linked/

the Quadrenial Report from the Pentagon can be looked at here.....it makes as always for interested reading.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/26120037/Q...-Review-Report
Now I don't consider the geezers at the pentagon as tinfoil hatters, despite their love for theatrical costumery.

However this is not the first time the Pentagon has been raising the alarm bells

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ws.theobserver
similar
http://grist.org/article/pentagoners/
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309088658
http://www.gbn.com/articles/pdfs/Abr...ary%202004.pdf

Flooding, Fires, Hurricanes, Droughts with resulting Food shortages, Housing Shortages etc etc.....these are all things we must accept. These events will and are already happening in certain parts of this planet, and already result in riots (India, Vietnam a couple of years ago with the Rice Shortages), and we will see more and more of 'environmental migration'.

world wide drought map http://www.eldoradocountyweather.com...ght-risk.html#
us drought map http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/
nz drought map http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/8412...nteractive-map
food security index http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-dev...risk-index-map
extreme weather map http://www.nrdc.org/health/extremeweather/


We must accept that this is what mass surveillance is needed for, crowd control - especially the control of subversives (and believe me they would include you and me into that category).

As said in an earlier Post, the police has the tools to listen to suspects calls, and read their telecomunications, all they have to do is ask a judge nicely and present due cause and usually they get their permits. So to say that this country, lovely NZ, is suddenly overrun by evil terrorists, and crims everywhere is a nothing but a farce.

I am merely resigned to the fact that we = humans, are not able to work for the good of the species, to many of us will only work for themselves and bugger the rest. Look around you and see the amount of misery on this planet. Cold I am not, I am just not surprised any more, nor am I teary eyed about it.

Wisewoman.

Heres a sweet sad madonna for you

[Scuba_Steve]

I think it's farkin' funny how you half wit lefty whingers tell us there's no democratic process just because you aren't getting your own way.

I ain't left wing don't know where you get that idea from? And anyone with the mental ability to understand what a democracy is could tell you we don't have one

[scumdog]

Must be why you're not worried about the impending downfall of NZ then ay

Notice I said brand-new, I see a large market for such items, mostly KBers...

[Oscar]

I ain't left wing don't know where you get that idea from? And anyone with the mental ability to understand what a democracy is could tell you we don't have one

OK, have it your way - yer just a half wit whinger.

By any sensible definition, NZ is a Parliamentary Democracy.
However, feel free to unleash your "mental ability to understand" on us and explain why you don't think we have a democracy.

[scissorhands]

Notice I said brand-new, I see a large market for such items, mostly KBers...

I see you guys got all the latest stuff and we have to protect ourselves

http://www.radshield.com/

[Akzle]

I know that TPTB can do much worse than they have been doing here.....they do pretty bad things elsewhere.

However, we must also accept that this planet is going to change and rather rapidly, if you have had a look at the Quadrennial Defense Review Report you will see that the problems humanity is going to face actually call for measures to control the public.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...icably-linked/

the Quadrenial Report from the Pentagon can be looked at here.....it makes as always for interested reading.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/26120037/Q...-Review-Report
Now I don't consider the geezers at the pentagon as tinfoil hatters, despite their love for theatrical costumery.

However this is not the first time the Pentagon has been raising the alarm bells

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ws.theobserver
similar
http://grist.org/article/pentagoners/
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309088658
http://www.gbn.com/articles/pdfs/Abr...ary%202004.pdf

Flooding, Fires, Hurricanes, Droughts with resulting Food shortages, Housing Shortages etc etc.....these are all things we must accept. These events will and are already happening in certain parts of this planet, and already result in riots (India, Vietnam a couple of years ago with the Rice Shortages), and we will see more and more of 'environmental migration'.

world wide drought map http://www.eldoradocountyweather.com...ght-risk.html#
us drought map http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/
nz drought map http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/8412...nteractive-map
food security index http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-dev...risk-index-map
extreme weather map http://www.nrdc.org/health/extremeweather/


We must accept that this is what mass surveillance is needed for, crowd control - especially the control of subversives (and believe me they would include you and me into that category).

As said in an earlier Post, the police has the tools to listen to suspects calls, and read their telecomunications, all they have to do is ask a judge nicely and present due cause and usually they get their permits. So to say that this country, lovely NZ, is suddenly overrun by evil terrorists, and crims everywhere is a nothing but a farce.

I am merely resigned to the fact that we = humans, are not able to work for the good of the species, to many of us will only work for themselves and bugger the rest. Look around you and see the amount of misery on this planet. Cold I am not, I am just not surprised any more, nor am I teary eyed about it.

a) agenda 21
b) quiet weapons for silent wars

[scissorhands]

OK, have it your way - yer just a half wit whinger.

By any sensible definition, NZ is a Parliamentary Democracy.
However, feel free to unleash your "mental ability to understand" on us and explain why you don't think we have a democracy.

Labour offers no competition, its a farce

[mashman]

I've got plenty.
Tell us about how you opt out of the democractic process, but still want to have your own economic system.
How will you achieve that? A coup de stupid ?

you truly don't understand do ya . A) I'm not opting out. Dickhead) I will achieve it using democracy.

[Akzle]

I've got plenty.
Tell us about how you opt out of the democractic process, but still want to have your own economic system.
How will you achieve that? A coup de stupid ?

no, but perhaps YOU could tell ME how to opt out? Disregard the fact that the system was forced on us, and disregard the fact that demoracy is a polite way of saying 'mob-ruled', and disregard the fact that if i was free to choose, id be free to choose not to. Now, answer the question.