Occupy Kiwi Biker Movement

[avgas]

Is that their policy?

Don't laugh - but I actually looked into this.
I looked at forming a party that didn't give a fuck, and cost the tax payers $0 by the fact they there was no members of the party.
Effectively all it would do is make seats empty in Parliament.

Turns out it was illegal to have a party of no members. It was also illegal to say no to an income for a party.

Next plan was to look into having a party, that has members who collect their income and then simply redistribute it out again to tax payers (sort of how Vector operates). But that whole process seems very inefficient.

[avgas]

running a household for a week with 80% of the money you need.

Lets just start with the basics.
Let Politicians retire with only a pensioner income.

[unstuck]

Don't laugh - but I actually looked into this.
I looked at forming a party that didn't give a fuck, and cost the tax payers $0 by the fact they there was no members of the party.
Effectively all it would do is make seats empty in Parliament.

Turns out it was illegal to have a party of no members. It was also illegal to say no to an income for a party.

Next plan was to look into having a party, that has members who collect their income and then simply redistribute it out again to tax payers (sort of how Vector operates). But that whole process seems very inefficient.

When I was watching the parliament channel on the telly when banksy and winny were having a go, there were only about 15 of the muppets in the whole chamber. Must be over a hundred seats in there, where are the rest of the pricks. They cant all be shagging the aide,s surely.

[Robert Taylor]

When I was watching the parliament channel on the telly when banksy and winny were having a go, there were only about 15 of the muppets in the whole chamber. Must be over a hundred seats in there, where are the rest of the pricks. They cant all be shagging the aide,s surely.

Eating at Bellamys at our expense, ordering vintage bottles of vino and getting fatter. Have you ever noticed that may new intakes of MPs are of ''normal'' build but they get bloated over time?

There are too many MPs and too many perks

[mashman]

Eating at Bellamys at our expense, ordering vintage bottles of vino and getting fatter. Have you ever noticed that may new intakes of MPs are of ''normal'' build but they get bloated over time?

There are too many MPs and too many perks

The quicker they eat and die off the quicker we getz to savin the money.

[unstuck]

I would happily vote, if we had polys who would work for a decent wage like most of us get. But until then, my belief is they are only in it for the money( mashy gonna love this) then we would only have people in the house that truly want to make positive change for us all.

[mashman]

But until then, my belief is they are only in it for the money( mashy gonna love this) then we would only have people in the house that truly want to make positive change for us all.

Surely they're in it for both .

[unstuck]

Surely they're in it for both .

If you say so.

[Robert Taylor]

I would happily vote, if we had polys who would work for a decent wage like most of us get. But until then, my belief is they are only in it for the money( mashy gonna love this) then we would only have people in the house that truly want to make positive change for us all.

Its exactly the same with local body politicians. In terms of respect levels they are right down there with the most money hungry sales people and brazen speculators that we have in society. You can pick them , its all ''me , me me''

In England they have a rates freeze enacted with most councils, imagine the outcry if that was tried here. We would be told the sky was going to fall in.

[unstuck]

Its exactly the same with local body politicians. In terms of respect levels they are right down there with the most money hungry sales people and brazen speculators that we have in society. You can pick them , its all ''me , me me''

In England they have a rates freeze enacted with most councils, imagine the outcry if that was tried here. We would be told the sky was going to fall in.

Yeah, I agree. Was watching something with Tim shadbolt on telly last night, only caught the last few minutes, something to do with a boat race from Auckland to Bluff. They were talking fairly large sums of money to host the event in Bluff, and how it will be the local ratepayers who will be forking out most of the cash. Well old Timmy said that people will complain like they always do, but they will get over it, and lose interest in it eventually. I suppose he is right, there seems to be no spirit of " stand up and be heard" in this country. I felt like going and giving him a kick in the teeth myself, but I know thats not the answer, and Im fucked if I know what is.
I would like to think there are other people out there who want to see change, but I think it has to be for something, not against anything.

[misterO]

It seems our NZ politicians embrace whatever new laws Australia proposes for itself. Why not just let Australia hammer out the rules for us and sack the redundant politicos back here? Perhaps then our esteemed fat cats would cross the ditch in seek of employment and we'd save a bundle! Win: Win

[Robert Taylor]

Yeah, I agree. Was watching something with Tim shadbolt on telly last night, only caught the last few minutes, something to do with a boat race from Auckland to Bluff. They were talking fairly large sums of money to host the event in Bluff, and how it will be the local ratepayers who will be forking out most of the cash. Well old Timmy said that people will complain like they always do, but they will get over it, and lose interest in it eventually. I suppose he is right, there seems to be no spirit of " stand up and be heard" in this country. I felt like going and giving him a kick in the teeth myself, but I know thats not the answer, and Im fucked if I know what is.
I would like to think there are other people out there who want to see change, but I think it has to be for something, not against anything.

Yep, they get their own way almost everytime to hike up rates to fund grandiose schemes. As for politicians at the feeding trough the socialists ( who supposedly stand for fairness for everybody and equality ) are in fact the biggest hypocrites because they are just as guilty of gorging at the ratepayers / taxpayers expense.
Shadbolt should pay dearly for the arrogance of his statement, he has done some great things for Southland but nothing excuses such arrogance and a callous propensity for such tax and spend attitude. We have one here in New Plymouth also with Duynhoven, it is to be hoped that he is annihilated in the forthcoming mayoral and local body elections. They get into power and become arrogant. Many of these people have never run a business where keeping control of overheads is one of the major pre-occupations.

[mashman]

Yeah, I agree. Was watching something with Tim shadbolt on telly last night, only caught the last few minutes, something to do with a boat race from Auckland to Bluff. They were talking fairly large sums of money to host the event in Bluff, and how it will be the local ratepayers who will be forking out most of the cash. Well old Timmy said that people will complain like they always do, but they will get over it, and lose interest in it eventually. I suppose he is right, there seems to be no spirit of " stand up and be heard" in this country. I felt like going and giving him a kick in the teeth myself, but I know thats not the answer, and Im fucked if I know what is.
I would like to think there are other people out there who want to see change, but I think it has to be for something, not against anything.

He's not telling us anything we don't already know. There are plenty of people who stand up to be heard, they just happen to do it when the perceived injustice happens to be an issue that they feel strongly about. Sure there are professional protestors, the ones who stand up and stay standing up, but they're just professional protestors and are dismissed as such. Professional protestors aren't noble and don't have people's/animals best interest at heart, they're just tree hugging hippy's that like to make noise because they're blatantly anti-establishment man . Occupy where just a bunch of whinging hypocrites with absolutely no rhyme or reason for their protests. Shadbolt is probably one of the few to have gone on record to state that the politicians know exactly what people are like. Stand up to be heard, then promptly sit back down again and shut the fuck up because nothing will change as they get ignored. As mentioned back in the Arab Spring days, people can revolt all they like and get some form of change, but it's never the change they want, and they turned up in the hundreds of thousand if not millions.

NOW, to the why do people sit down and shut the fuck up. It's all about the money. Isn't everything? People sit down and shut the fuck up, because they have jobs to go back to. It's all fine and well taking a day off to stand up, but it invariably comes at your cost, be it a holiday day, unpaid leave day, sick day etc... but it is known, by politicians, that because we have to go back to work to earn to eat, have electricity etc... that we'll sit back down and shut the fuck up and the issue carry's on the way it was. It's a constant. NOW to further underline the money being the issue... these new fangled laws outlaw protests that impede economic activity, so in that case, not only do you pay for your protest day, very soon you could end up jailed for it because it causes damage to the economy. In fact protesting will likely come under the guise of a terrorist act because it will be seen as an attack on the economy.

If we have to go back to work or are too afraid to stand up because our liberty is at stake, protests will become a thing of the past. At least putting myself in the shoes of a politician leads me to that conclusion. They spend 24/7, and we pay them to do this, drafting laws, creating policy, devising new ways to protect the economy etc... where those who protest need to use all of their free time and then pay for their day of protest. You want change, you're gonna have to ditch that which culls action at every turn... and it ain't the people that are the problem. If I were batting for their team, ya'll would be FUCKED!

[mashman]

It seems our NZ politicians embrace whatever new laws Australia proposes for itself. Why not just let Australia hammer out the rules for us and sack the redundant politicos back here? Perhaps then our esteemed fat cats would cross the ditch in seek of employment and we'd save a bundle! Win: Win

So we wouldn't need MP's for our regions? That and there's be even more expenses when they have to go to Oz to report in. I'm thinking more, lose lose.

[unstuck]

What you resist, persists. So I personally dont think it wise to protest anything. There has to be another way, so that is where I will focus my energy. Be the change you wish to see in the world, springs to mind, but I have no idea how to implement it in this context. Or am I just being a deluded fuckwit, again.