Stupid World

[Brian d marge]

childcare ca. 1912......lol

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...dren-s-Crusade

both under similar lassie faire economic conditions

business does what business does make a profit

Stephen

[Oscar]

Dunno about that. Would the company be able to enforce the family gag order?
bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa... the boring bit is you waffling on about why I posted the links and I'm getting bored with having to point out that, as per usual, you are spectacularly wrong.

And as usual, your assertion is based on nothing at all.
You have no knowledge of what you post other than a good headline.

[mashman]

And as usual, your assertion is based on nothing at all.
You have no knowledge of what you post other than a good headline.

You get all of that from "what a world". Was it a good headline?

[unstuck]

[Ocean1]

I just want to clarify, you are talking about all the children birthed in NZ?

I wasn't talking about any particular group of children, I was simply asking why a parent who's been relieved of the normal requirement to support their own family by the taxpayer should expect to have the same taxpayer pay someone to babysit their kids too.

And I've yet to see any answer at all let alone an ethically sound one.

I would even venture so far, that long long long ago, when ocean1 was little, his mother would have squeezed him out in a hospital, she or his father would have taken him to a doctor or dentists in case of need, that he would have gone to school and university etc. etc., and that his parents would receive a state pension for their old days.

go and ask you mom ..

now make her work at least 25 hours ...And look after the kids full time

Stephen

ps you dont have kids do u .......

You two crack me up. My mother left school at 13 to work in a mill to pay the bills for a large family without a hint of social welfare. She worked most of her life because that's how you give your family the best chance to NOT have to leave school at 13. At the slightest hint of any of the hugely self-centred expectations and attitudes of entitlement scattered throughout this thread she would tear you to shreds.

[Brian d marge]

I wasn't talking about any particular group of children, I was simply asking why a parent who's been relieved of the normal requirement to support their own family by the taxpayer should expect to have the same taxpayer pay someone to babysit their kids too.

And I've yet to see any answer at all let alone an ethically sound one.






You two crack me up. My mother left school at 13 to work in a mill to pay the bills for a large family without a hint of social welfare. She worked most of her life because that's how you give your family the best chance to NOT have to leave school at 13. At the slightest hint of any of the hugely self-centred expectations and attitudes of entitlement scattered throughout this thread she would tear you to shreds.

This is the 21 century ,, children stopped working the mines a few years ago

Credit to your mum , but we have realised that healthy children tend to be raised well by both parents, if your mum worked , as do most parents now , the hours must have been suitable for her to raise a child
Me I prefer to earn the money so that my wife can be a full time mother to my child
I still have plenty of quality time with my kids
This what happens in an enlightened society

As a heads up , companies give maternity leave,,,,, wonder why that is ????

Stephen

[blue rider]

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You two crack me up. My mother left school at 13 to work in a mill to pay the bills for a large family without a hint of social welfare. She worked most of her life because that's how you give your family the best chance to NOT have to leave school at 13. At the slightest hint of any of the hugely self-centred expectations and attitudes of entitlement scattered throughout this thread she would tear you to shreds.

so did my grandmother ,my mother, I got to stay in school till i was 15, and started working fulltime at that age.

what was your point again?

[mashman]

I wasn't talking about any particular group of children, I was simply asking why a parent who's been relieved of the normal requirement to support their own family by the taxpayer should expect to have the same taxpayer pay someone to babysit their kids too.

And I've yet to see any answer at all let alone an ethically sound one.

You two crack me up. My mother left school at 13 to work in a mill to pay the bills for a large family without a hint of social welfare. She worked most of her life because that's how you give your family the best chance to NOT have to leave school at 13. At the slightest hint of any of the hugely self-centred expectations and attitudes of entitlement scattered throughout this thread she would tear you to shreds.

Why should a working person get "relief"?

Because we're faking an attempt at being civilised and not the mercenaries of yore and kids are fuckin expensive when you don't have a wage coming in. Best interests of the child n all that.

says Mr Entitlement himself... that's not self-centered at all... oh sorry, I forgot, you earned yours even if it is off the backs of others. Son's becoming their mothers eh. Cut the apron string bro, there's a brave new world out there full of cooperation and true progress.

[mashman]

R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company Loses $37.5 Million Battle Over Lung Cancer Victim... hmmmm, who would benefit from removing the branding from cigs?

[mashman]

Interesting in ways... the crux being, banks need to work like Ocean thinks they do (sorry dude, but he calls you a naive), social credit, debt free money creation even though there will be debt coz it's good for the economy, potentially lower interest rates cos debt is managed, potential for 0% inflation, banks/govts both print money as and when it's needed but because they control the supply of money they can do what they need to do to stop the economy from taking a huge nose dive. Fuck all about jobs. Fuck all about poverty. Fuck all about how the system could be abused. Fuck all about addressing energy for the future. Fuck all about society. He should have come out of the closet and straight up pledged his love to Friedman. Bags of jargon around how the mechanism will function but absolutely no consideration for the effects on people. Growth management via printing as much money as is required. Growth is such a stupid fuckin position to be coming from in the first place that his paper should be converted to toilet paper. A sustainable financial economy coz they can print and destroy money whenever they feel like it. Why bother with money in the first place!

[unstuck]

I will be watching this, I think these people will win in the end. The times they are a changing..........sing it bob.
http://firstpeoples.org/wp/indigenou...s-oil-company/



The Pantera song comes to mind......Dont tread on me.

[blue rider]

... blahblahblahblha......... Why bother with money in the first place!

consider

http://enformable.com/2013/08/japane...contamination/ ...........private industry fucks up, government bails out

http://enformable.com/2013/08/fukush...commissioning/ ...................please get rid of the private industry fuck ups, thanks.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...545887032.html ..........we have lost it already

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/07/wo...nted=all&_r=2& ............ yes it does leak, and it has been leaking since it exploded.



Tschernobyl was quite the news when I was 18 and living in bavaria. T'was the year we stopped going to the woods for mushrooms (the non poisonous one), berries and seeds. (foraging is it still be done, because that was an important foodsource for peeps with little money.)
Wild boar still can not be killed for eating as they are highly radioactive..
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-709345.html


money, in any form or shape is the least of our worries (if we choose to worry), it is the foodsupply that we have fucked over muchly pretty much everywhere on this planet.
soylent green anyone?

[avgas]

Blue Rider - don't think NZ has such an untarnished reputation. We are world leaders in innovation of creating "dead zones" with no oil spills, no radioactivity. In fact we are a world first in doing so. We are second most efficient in creating ocean dead zones outside the Gulf of Mexico.

Likewise want to know how we became the most efficient in Horticulture and Agriculture without GM goodies? We poison the shit out of things into thinking its dying every year and then it throws out its best crop.
So we are world renowned in creating land based dead zones - some of which are yet to appear 50 years from now. Thanks to Hi-Cane and SuperPhosphate among other lovely things - which have been dumped into the ground for near on 100 years. We will make the US poisoning scams of the 1950's seem like a walk in the park.

Our children are going to pay for our parents sins here - regardless of what we do. While Pripyat is starting to regrow and lose its doping over the next 50 years - our farmland/orchards will become disaster zones, our bays - barren wastelands with no recovery for 100's of years. But because there is no "EVENT" people will not notice until it is all gone. It will be taken from us, slowly, generation by generation will get minor algea blooms, dry patchs of land........until it is all gone. With not a miner, fracker, or power plant in sight.

[blue rider]

Blue Rider - don't think NZ has such an untarnished reputation. We are world leaders in innovation of creating "dead zones" with no oil spills, no radioactivity. In fact we are a world first in doing so. We are second most efficient in creating ocean dead zones outside the Gulf of Mexico.

Likewise want to know how we became the most efficient in Horticulture and Agriculture without GM goodies? We poison the shit out of things into thinking its dying every year and then it throws out its best crop.
So we are world renowned in creating land based dead zones - some of which are yet to appear 50 years from now. Thanks to Hi-Cane and SuperPhosphate among other lovely things - which have been dumped into the ground for near on 100 years. We will make the US poisoning scams of the 1950's seem like a walk in the park.

Our children are going to pay for our parents sins here - regardless of what we do. While Pripyat is starting to regrow and lose its doping over the next 50 years - our farmland/orchards will become disaster zones, our bays - barren wastelands with no recovery for 100's of years. But because there is no "EVENT" people will not notice until it is all gone. It will be taken from us, slowly, generation by generation will get minor algea blooms, dry patchs of land........until it is all gone. With not a miner, fracker, or power plant in sight.

Hi Avgas, I don't think NZ is all that green and clean. I remember when first arriving in 98 friends took me to Piha, and I ended up collecting empty plastic bottles left behind by beach goers. I was told by my kiwi friends, that NZ has so much beach that no - one really gives a dime about the rubbish left behind. Lolz.

GM, Lordi, i am a certified purple wearing hairy dirty fucking hippy mate....what can I say.


And Radioactive poisioning is silent, and odourless and everywhere. Alternative energy, nope to hard basket, return to more substainable farming, nope i want my strawberries midwinter, and growing cows in a country that has not enough grass....fonterra!

But eventually, and this is my firm believe, People need to understand that what ever material possesions they have, they are worth nothing if we can not feed and hydrate our bodies. it will be too late, but as i said earlier on I do pity the young for we will leave them only burned earth.

Midas comes to mind....even if shit turns to gold, ya still can't eat it.

[Ocean1]

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No. The correct answer to the question "Should the taxpayer pay for you to sit home and look after your kid/s and then pay for someone else to do it so you don't have to?" is, in fact a resounding FUCK OFF.

Why should a working person get "relief"?

Usually for the same reason they get pretty much anything. They pay for it.

I know you don't like to work hard enough to pay for all the shit you want, but I'm afraid nobody else wants to pay for it either. Suck it up.