The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Brian d marge]

"If you ask for the thing you dislike the least - will you ever get what you need?"

Can't remember who said it - suspect it was Maslow or one of his students.
Respect to your mother. I doubt I would last very long there - I have access to explosives, and a very low tolerance for not fixing problems.

fraid the game is a foot , it was to remove david carter and get ruth dyson elected , by shifting the unsure David carter voters , ie targeting them either toward labour or the greens it allowed Dyson to get the vote
ANYTHING is/was better than that idiot carter ( whom I notice is speaker of the house ....holy fk batman , THERE IS a nut running the show)

Stephen

[scissorhands]

I've got a sneaking feeling Winston is responsible for the Fonterra botulism scare hype

His comment 2 months ago.... the 'Chinese cannot be trusted....'

The Chinese are also getting stuck into NZ mediawise over leaky homes, Fletchers etc

Dont fuck with us is what I hear

But then supposedly I'm a 'delusional psychotic' devoid of insight so what would I know

[pete376403]

And the PSA virus that hit the kiwifruit was found to have come from China...

Wouldn't surprise me if they supplied the Varroa and RockSnot as well

[avgas]

Possibly. The one thing the came out of this (and is a good thing) is that for all the BS we think we do here - we have cut too many corners with our exports in the last 20 years.
There wouldn't be a bot scare if Fonterra checked product and process PRIOR to export.
There wouldn't be verroa and PSA if MAF stopped terrorising the average joe for an Apple yet let scientists/money makers bring in whatever they wanted.
There wouldn't be meat workers losing jobs and meat stuck on a chinese docs if we had quality control PRIOR to export.

Fuck knows how or why we got rocksnot - but if DOC spent more money protecting the stuff rather than building fancy tracks and huts.......and helicopter pads we might have answer to that also.

We have got caught with out pants down and this time the wind is cold. We need to buck up our braces and change the way we do shit in NZ.
I mean seriously - getting caught with your pants down......by china........ I really don't know how we could fuck up so badly. Why are we paying people to manage this and this is their best effort?

edit : forgot to mention we wouldn't have to spent BILLIONS of $ developing a "Gold" kiwifruit if we didn't export out production vines in the 80's......to our biggest competitors. Talk about selling the golden goose.

[Ocean1]

Ocean1, the second link leads to a blog in California run by a rather astute observer of US Politics. She has been at this for 10+ years now and is in not obscure in the States. And while she might be a Democrat she is one without blinkers or pink glasses.

In who’s opinion is she astute? And what are her qualifications for being an un-biased or dis-interested observer in this particular field? The point is it's not news, it's opinion. It reads to be heavily politically motivated, an attack on an opposing political group and as you’ve demonstrated it's indistinguishable from what you'd find in the local “news”.

You must have been involved closely with an event subsequently covered by the press, yes? Did you recognise the story? See, nowadays the press has nothing to do with informing the public, its stories have just one objective: to sell something. The most inoffensive thing they try to flog is a newspaper, an advertising slot. Stories attempting to embarrass the established government’s activities is routine fare, deserved or not, so it really shouldn’t come as much of a surprise that governments see them as the enemy, that’s exactly how they behave. In some cases there’s little doubt that’s exactly what they are, and the stories they run and the opinion they print has damaging the government as it’s only goal. Why wouldn’t they expect to be treated as an enemy?

So, as I said, by all means limit government’s ability to behave immorally. But let’s limit the corrosive behaviour of political activists pretending to be press entities, eh? If it’s good enough for the govt to have to be open about what information they have and how they got it why isn’t it good enough for the press? It’s not as if they deserve the protection we used to reserve for truly disinterested news gatherers, is it?

I really was hoping that my first red bling would be for something offensive.
Oh well I have to try harder then...

Meh. Offensive is nothing to aspire to. And you’d have to do worse that “dear leader”, although it’s adequate to identify you as an untrustworthy source of accurate information or opinion about this govt’s activities, eh?

[blue rider]

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[Akzle]

There wouldn't be a bot scare if Fonterra checked product and process PRIOR to export.

hate to break it to you but the botulism bacteria develops anaerobicly. Meaning the 'problem' doesnt happen before the shits canned, two or 3 factories down the line. Also, the fact that THEY pickd it up BEFORE anyone even got sick... Shows what id call acceptable qc.

[Akzle]

oh. Maf ARE dicks, and the meat was a paperwork/ political issue. Not a qc one.

[avgas]

hate to break it to you but the botulism bacteria develops anaerobicly. Meaning the 'problem' doesnt happen before the shits canned, two or 3 factories down the line. Also, the fact that THEY pickd it up BEFORE anyone even got sick... Shows what id call acceptable qc.

All of my process control would have detected the problem prior to it hitting a can. When botulism was not even a consideration.
Just saying.
There is rubber stamp QC and then there is 100% QC - when you deal with critical shit, 99% ain't good enough.

[Akzle]

All of my process control would have detected the problem prior to it hitting a can. When botulism was not even a consideration.
Just saying.
There is rubber stamp QC and then there is 100% QC - when you deal with critical shit, 99% ain't good enough.

really? you're qc for food industry?

how would you possibly pick up parts per billion?

[Ocean1]

All of my process control would have detected the problem prior to it hitting a can. When botulism was not even a consideration.
Just saying.
There is rubber stamp QC and then there is 100% QC - when you deal with critical shit, 99% ain't good enough.

First, no sort of qc system will ever ensure complete cover.
Second, there's no such thing as 100%
I suspect Fonterra's systems are pretty good, but the current issue is nothing to do with good or bad, it's purely political/market driven.

[blue rider]

First, no sort of qc system will ever ensure complete cover.
Second, there's no such thing as 100%
I suspect Fonterra's systems are pretty good, but the current issue is nothing to do with good or bad, it's purely political/market driven.

true taht, however in light of NZ dependency on dairy this case was badly handled. By all of the players.

[blue rider]

oscar,

its cunt/vagina, not dick....even tho it might be a compliment. In that case, cheers bro.

[Oscar]

oscar,

its cunt/vagina, not dick....even tho it might be a compliment. In that case, cheers bro.

If you can't do any better than Denis Leary and "blahblahblah" as an argument, you don't rate anything as useful as a cunt.

[mashman]

If you can't do any better than Denis Leary and "blahblahblah" as an argument, you don't rate anything as useful as a cunt.

... and that from one who knows. At least you walk your walk.