Stupid World

[unstuck]

Didn't they re-name themselves and are currently lead by Peter Dunne?

No I think that is Ridgeways circus your thinking of.

[avgas]

Isn't that Lord of Winterfell guy the new head of labour.
Wonder when he will roll on into the beehive.

[Banditbandit]

[Ocean1]

Yep, your right.....most of 'em'll be retards, children of lower socio economic parents who've been disenfranchised by successive Govts & failed by an under funded education system & raised on media drivel & an excess of drugs & bling driven culture surrounded by a society thats too worried about their own problems to give a fuck any more.
Kind of like me.



Its up to the individual init.

Yeah, it's all the government's fault they don't vote.

Funny how those that rely on others to get by don't get as far, innit?

[mashman]

Funny how those that rely on others to get by don't get as far, innit?

Nice. But what about: when the shit hits the fan, who's going to process your food? You may decide that this is a fairytale born of rainbow pony land, I hope you don't, but there is a very real reality that Wellington, or anywhere else in the country, could take an absolute battering in a quake (or even a tornado). You understand what 0.1 means in regards to how powerful an earthquake is. We haven't had a 7 directly under our feet yet. How fast has Chch come together? That's a highly accessible city. To put it bluntly and without laboring the point (too much), you are going to rely on a huge supply chain (of people) to meet your needs in the long term should something go tits.

Yes as groups of individuals, we may well come together, I have my concerns (as do you re: the criminal element), but in that instance we'd still need to do what needs to be done anyway.

As a "community" (it'll take a country), that is set up (designed and implemented), with rain, hail and shine in mind (code for flood, hail (earth bombardment event), drought, famine, erradication of financial meltdowns , war, unforseen stupid world/society circumstance), we would recover more quickly than we would recover as groups of individuals with their own goals, imho. The earlier you start to prepare, the shorter the amount of time it takes to recover from an event. Money is getting in the way (waste of personel on the wrong tasks) of that. Is an event going to happen? When? 1 year, 5/10/15/20? But it WILL happen. Unlimited time offer, please see terms and conditions as hidden costs apply.

Have you really made your choice?

[puddytat]

Yeah, it's all the government's fault they don't vote.

Funny how those that rely on others to get by don't get as far, innit?

Yeah, theres no doubt about it....you can supply all the help they need & they will still struggle.
You can give help to others through social services & they will take it , do what they can with it & try & get on with life.
There are a lot of folk who ask for nothing at all from the Govt & still dont get as far......as some.
And its not for lack of trying.

[Ocean1]

Nice. But what about: when the shit hits the fan, who's going to process your food?

Food processing's not the problem, transport is. A KTM 525 might come in handy.

The family comes here, we've got room and they'd be safer and better able to make do here. The place is self sufficient in water and waste for maybe 10 people. I couldn't live off my vegie garden right now, but I could within a couple of months. The bottom orchard makes enough fruit for most of the neighbourhood, the top one makes some nuts. Chickens make a dozen eggs a day from scraps and weeds. Red meat's over the fence, traded for fruit, eggs, mech services, whatever. Solid fuel heating with plenty in the woodshed, plus a couple of months worth of LPG always in stock for burning dinner. The workshop's a couple of minutes away but probably down to 20% capability until power's back on...


I'd have serious fuel and arms stocked but both are slightly illegal.

Get the idea?

[Ocean1]

Yeah, theres no doubt about it....you can supply all the help they need & they will still struggle.
You can give help to others through social services & they will take it , do what they can with it & try & get on with life.
There are a lot of folk who ask for nothing at all from the Govt & still dont get as far......as some.
And its not for lack of trying.

I know. But here's the thing, dude: We're so far down the welfare dependency road that over half of the country are entitled to a bunch of handouts. And that's without considering the multitude of bullshit subsidies like the discounted insulation programme designed to keep WHO happy that we're doing something about our draughty homes etc.

All that is mostly to make sure 51% of the country stay voting the right way. Actually last I heard it's 55%. Now, if we did away with all that bullshit and did something about the public's expectations regarding massively expanding healthcare capabilities then we'd be able to do something for those that really do need help, instead of rationing the supply across the board, as is happening now.

Our Japan correspondent reckons I'm an evel capitalist. He's as wrong there as he is about most things, but the fact remains that we have an extraordinarily large number of people dangling off the public teat that simply don't need to be there. And the longer it goes on the more they come to believe that they're OK, that they're entitled to it. And the real national income drops a bit more, along with our ability to do something where it really matters.

[Brian d marge]

Hey at least I back my shit with facts , unlike you
Nice try but ya still on the short bus

Stephen

[mashman]

Food processing's not the problem, transport is. A KTM 525 might come in handy.

The family comes here, we've got room and they'd be safer and better able to make do here. The place is self sufficient in water and waste for maybe 10 people. I couldn't live off my vegie garden right now, but I could within a couple of months. The bottom orchard makes enough fruit for most of the neighbourhood, the top one makes some nuts. Chickens make a dozen eggs a day from scraps and weeds. Red meat's over the fence, traded for fruit, eggs, mech services, whatever. Solid fuel heating with plenty in the woodshed, plus a couple of months worth of LPG always in stock for burning dinner. The workshop's a couple of minutes away but probably down to 20% capability until power's back on...

I'd have serious fuel and arms stocked but both are slightly illegal.

Get the idea?

Nice. I'm sure you worked hard and smart for it.

[Ocean1]

Nice. I'm sure you worked hard and smart for it.

And lucky, there's always at least one imperial smidgeon of that. In my case it arrived in the shape of a very talented and hard working wife.

But y'know what's most important about that stuff? It puts me in a position to help, first the family, and then the locals that need it.

[mashman]

And lucky, there's always at least one imperial smidgeon of that. In my case it arrived in the shape of a very talented and hard working wife.

But y'know what's most important about that stuff? It puts me in a position to help, first the family, and then the locals that need it.

Lucky alright, she can't have married you for your charm.

Cool. Any available sections there?

[Ocean1]

Lucky alright, she can't have married you for your charm.

Cool. Any available sections there?

It certainly wasn't for money.

Occasionally. But there's room for everyone to have a decent lump of dirt in NZ, you've just got to get around the local authorities development rorts. Dismantle a few other unnecessary pieces of regulatory compliance bullshit and a couple of building materials monopolies and most could actually afford it, too.

[mashman]

It certainly wasn't for money.

Occasionally. But there's room for everyone to have a decent lump of dirt in NZ, you've just got to get around the local authorities development rorts. Dismantle a few other unnecessary pieces of regulatory compliance bullshit and a couple of building materials monopolies and most could actually afford it, too.

heh heh...

Aye, there is room for everyone and no doubt the rorts would bring the costs down, but saving 50k for a deposit, isn't that beyond that "55%" who are currently seen as teet suckin? So I question your most could afford it claim, but yeah, there is enough space, just poor logistics and a system that's in the way.

[Ocean1]

heh heh...

Aye, there is room for everyone and no doubt the rorts would bring the costs down, but saving 50k for a deposit, isn't that beyond that "55%" who are currently seen as teet suckin? So I question your most could afford it claim, but yeah, there is enough space, just poor logistics and a system that's in the way.

Saving the deposit on a house was only ever "easy" for the few years that you needed just 5%, and look how sustainable that turned out to be. For most of the last century you had to have 20 to 25% cash, a bit less if the old's helped out a bit. Most working Kiwi families managed that, usually just from the one income, and without the bullshit building costs you'd probably be back down to the historic "5 years graduate's income equivalent" for a house. So while I don't see it as an actual doddle I don't think it's beyond that 55% at all.

I must admit our parents and grandparents didn't have 56" TVs and I-shit that needed annually renewing, and fresh wheels every other year...

Hitcher reckons sections of a few acres are always going to cost a lot more simply because you've got maybe 20% of the usual number of homes having to pay for the same service infrastructure per kilometer. But as I pointed out at the time they don't usually come with water or sewerage conections to start with. I point it out to the council fairly regularly, too, roughly every rates demand.