Inside New Zealand

[Ocean1]

He makes about as much sense as Mashman.

Harsh. Very very harsh.

[mashman]

+1

I lasted five minutes.
He makes about as much sense as Mashman.

-1

I hope you didn't make a mess.
Unfair, I thought he did a great job.

[98tls]

Self indulgence maybe but not greed the only comparison of greed in motorcycling would be the ones who think having the latest & greatest bike available makes them better than the person who has something that is 20yrs old...reality of fact is that that train of thinking makes them less of a motorcyclist and pretty shallow

Motorcycles?Fuck off to a motorcycle forum would ya....ridiculous.

[T.W.R]

Motorcycles?Fuck off to a motorcycle forum would ya....ridiculous.

hear this
I thought this was the political analysis/financial advisory forum someone mentioned bikes and I thought I was in the Tremendous Lemon Zone you still suffering hypothermic nut sack or you been sniffing exhaust pipes again

[Robert Taylor]

Fair enough.

Does the presenter matter that much? Isn't the subject matter more important?

It is clear where the presenters political sympathies lie, but politics aside it is very clear that without even seeing this documentary we do have a lot of disadvantaged people in this country and that is WRONG. But I don't believe you necessarily have to think like a socialist to make such a statement. Or to inherently have a sense of fair play. One of the biggest crimes in recent history is making houses unaffordable to so many people ( and also market pressures forcing rents up ) because of an unneeded and totally false property boom. Wealth accumulation should only happen by actually doing something useful and carrying people along with you.

[Oscar]

-1

I hope you didn't make a mess.
Unfair, I thought he did a great job.

You have to be kidding.
The first thing I saw was a homeless family in Christchurch.
Imagine that, housing problems in a city that's just had two large Earthquakes.

[mashman]

It is clear where the presenters political sympathies lie, but politics aside it is very clear that without even seeing this documentary we do have a lot of disadvantaged people in this country and that is WRONG. But I don't believe you necessarily have to think like a socialist to make such a statement. Or to inherently have a sense of fair play. One of the biggest crimes in recent history is making houses unaffordable to so many people ( and also market pressures forcing rents up ) because of an unneeded and totally false property boom. Wealth accumulation should only happen by actually doing something useful and carrying people along with you.

I dunno. He seemed pretty genuine when he was asking the questions. There are no easy answers eh. I'll take him a subject at a time please. If people responding to the needs of people is socialist, them I'm all for it if "this" is the alternative. Some may think the presenter is more important, tbh, I kinda felt for the woman and her 3 kids living in tents... coz they ain't got any money to go anywhere else. Then you move on to one of many reasons why everything should be free and why we need a simple shift in how we manage the economy . The evil begets the evil. The good begets the good. Your services, quality and dedication, will always be wanted and needed, most definitely required in NZ . There's a group in the UK called the Renegade Economist, they've done a wee movie and written a wee book. They call the wealth accumulation practice, Renting... and are proposing a Land Value Tax. I have the book if you'd like it.

[mashman]

You have to be kidding.
The first thing I saw was a homeless family in Christchurch.
Imagine that, housing problems in a city that's just had two large Earthquakes.

How long ago was it that you saw a homeless person in Chch?

[Brian d marge]

You have to be kidding.
The first thing I saw was a homeless family in Christchurch.
Imagine that, housing problems in a city that's just had two large Earthquakes.

what do you think happened over here , 20 odd thousand , 20 THOUSAND people

and they are all rehoused and life is as usual

Even with the Nuclear problems ( AS WELL!!)

When we first arrived in Chch we lived in the Army camp for 6 months until we could find a house

SOMETHING aint right down south !

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

It is clear where the presenters political sympathies lie, but politics aside it is very clear that without even seeing this documentary we do have a lot of disadvantaged people in this country and that is WRONG. But I don't believe you necessarily have to think like a socialist to make such a statement. Or to inherently have a sense of fair play. One of the biggest crimes in recent history is making houses unaffordable to so many people ( and also market pressures forcing rents up ) because of an unneeded and totally false property boom. Wealth accumulation should only happen by actually doing something useful and carrying people along with you.

tis a fall out of fractional reserve banking and banks just doing what they do , lend and make profit ( which is what a business should do , make a profit )

Here in japan , the house prices ( from memory) Fell by 0.7 % and houses are affordable due to the construction methods and a ( not quite ) non speculative market ( people don’t really buy and sell houses ,)

The average person CAN afford to buy a house on ONE wage ( the loans are over 40 years and bonuses are used to pay of the principle )

Stephen

[Oscar]

How long ago was it that you saw a homeless person in Chch?

How is that relevant?
Christchurch is a special case and is not representative of all of NZ in respect of housing.

[Oscar]

what do you think happened over here , 20 odd thousand , 20 THOUSAND people

and they are all rehoused and life is as usual

Even with the Nuclear problems ( AS WELL!!)

When we first arrived in Chch we lived in the Army camp for 6 months until we could find a house

SOMETHING aint right down south !

Stephen

What is 20,000 as a percentage of the Japanese population?
Christchurch had 10-12,000 severely damaged houses.

The root cause of the housing shortage in Chch is seismic, not economic.

[mashman]

How is that relevant?
Christchurch is a special case and is not representative of all of NZ in respect of housing.

See Stephen's example above of 20,000 rehoused and getting on with things after the ocean shit a fit and leveled a wee chunk of Japan. And we still have people that need decent housing, not just "housing"? Somefink really ain't right... and I'm tempted to add that it's you

[Oscar]

See Stephen's example above of 20,000 rehoused and getting on with things after the ocean shit a fit and leveled a wee chunk of Japan. And we still have people that need decent housing, not just "housing"? Somefink really ain't right... and I'm tempted to add that it's you

I thought it was Ocean that was to blame?
Ah well, I have big shoulders, blame away.

See my answer regarding the relative numbers rehoused in Japan v. the number of houses damaged in Christchurch - I figured it was obvious, but I forgot the type of nupty's that I'm dealing with.
Whatever housing problems that we may have had in NZ were made 10 times worse by the earthquake, and no amount of moaning is gonna fix it.
We simply do not have the resources to rebuild overnight.

[mashman]

I thought it was Ocean that was to blame?
Ah well, I have big shoulders, blame away.

See my answer regarding the relative numbers rehoused in Japan v. the number of houses damaged in Christchurch - I figured it was obvious, but I forgot the type of nupty's that I'm dealing with.
Whatever housing problems that we may have had in NZ were made 10 times worse by the earthquake, and no amount of moaning is gonna fix it.
We simply do not have the resources to rebuild overnight.

Him too.
No blame, just pointing some things out that should be sorted by NOW (heh).

Of course the resources are there, but we need to wait for the money and planning to be sorted before they can start. Meanwhile houses need to be built and utilities need to be sorted... but wait, there's people who don't want to leave so they're being threatened with being ex-communicated etc... Stupid Games. The manpower is here. The resources are here, albeit we'd need to stop selling too much overseas etc... limiting factor in all of that in one word please sir? other than logistics that is.