Take the money and run

[Biggles08]

This is one reason why KB is turned to shit...too many keyboard hacks having their own opinions on what needs to happen rather than actually going out and doing it like Sam and Drew (and many others too). FFS they are busy 'doing it' and from what I see are communicating very well with those that count...and probably realize this place is not the "be all and end all" unlike many of you think it is. If you want to know what they are up to, it ain't that hard to find out...just log out of KB once and a while...its a big wide world out there of people giving it a go.

I say Good on you Sam and Drew...keep doing what you are doing and thank you for all of those out there that have supported them financially, we need more like you...I'm sure they don't take that for granted.

[slowpoke]

This is one reason why KB is turned to shit...too many keyboard hacks having their own opinions on what needs to happen rather than actually going out and doing it like Sam and Drew (and many others too). FFS they are busy 'doing it' and from what I see are communicating very well with those that count...and probably realize this place is not the "be all and end all" unlike many of you think it is. If you want to know what they are up to, it ain't that hard to find out...just log out of KB once and a while...its a big wide world out there of people giving it a go.

I say Good on you Sam and Drew...keep doing what you are doing and thank you for all of those out there that have supported them financially, we need more like you...I'm sure they don't take that for granted.

You gotta be joking Marcus. That's not how you went about your business in NZSBK or even club racing. No way in hell would you have signed up your sponsors and then just bolted never to be heard from again, telling 'em "It ain't that hard to find out" when they made an enquiry as to what was happening after providing money/product/services etc.

Spyda ia definitely no "keyboard hack", I hate to think how much time and effort he's put in, or how much it's personally cost him for the privilige of sitting in that lonely commentators seat at NZSBK, or club rounds, or dragging his glorious bikes around the country just for other people to enjoy at no gain to himself, and Christ knows what else over the years. And on top that he's still happy to reach deeper into his sky rocket to help someone else achieve their dreams. The bottom line is that the boys wouldn't be exploring that big wide world out there if it wasn't for blokes like Spyda paying for it. And now he's being abused for saying "Oi, how's about a lil' feedback fella's"? Faark, my knickers would be a lil' bunchy too.

His comments should be sucked up, and treated with respect 'cos chances are some of the other people financing this dream are also feeling a lil' burned. Take it on the chin and either point them in the right direction or make adjustments to capture these people 'cos at the moment some are obviously slipping through the net. "The people that matter"? Mate, everyone who contributed matters, full stop, end of story.

EDIT: I'm not having a go at Sam and co here, just pointing out that someone who helped pay for this adventure has raised an issue, the person and the issue should be shown some respect and handled appropriately.

[mhbarber]

No, it's still just for gurlz and prospective employers.

and scammers
and the gcsb

yeah boi

because THIS forum is ALL grown up and devoid of badness; puhhleease

we all have our little places to vent, troll, stalk, share, laugh. FB is just a place FFS.

I work for one of the biggest IT company's in the world, specialising in security, I don't feel like I have anyone looking over my shoulder.

Do you still have that Wolf ?

[Robert Taylor]

You gotta be joking Marcus. That's not how you went about your business in NZSBK or even club racing. No way in hell would you have signed up your sponsors and then just bolted never to be heard from again, telling 'em "It ain't that hard to find out" when they made an enquiry as to what was happening after providing money/product/services etc.

Spyda ia definitely no "keyboard hack", I hate to think how much time and effort he's put in, or how much it's personally cost him for the privilige of sitting in that lonely commentators seat at NZSBK, or club rounds, or dragging his glorious bikes around the country just for other people to enjoy at no gain to himself, and Christ knows what else over the years. And on top that he's still happy to reach deeper into his sky rocket to help someone else achieve their dreams. The bottom line is that the boys wouldn't be exploring that big wide world out there if it wasn't for blokes like Spyda paying for it. And now he's being abused for saying "Oi, how's about a lil' feedback fella's"? Faark, my knickers would be a lil' bunchy too.

His comments should be sucked up, and treated with respect 'cos chances are some of the other people financing this dream are also feeling a lil' burned. Take it on the chin and either point them in the right direction or make adjustments to capture these people 'cos at the moment some are obviously slipping through the net. "The people that matter"? Mate, everyone who contributed matters, full stop, end of story.

Well said, and to a degree what I was trying to articulate was a general comment about riders in general receiving sponsorship. Sponsorship is never a given , is never as of right and should never be taken for granted. And sponsorship has many forms other than monetary handouts

[Smifffy]

Personally, I quite liked the update posted above. Very interesting. Wouldn't it be simple enough to have something like a "Croft racing" thread and for a recipient of the emails that do come to post them in the thread?

Might even find it keeps the interest up enough for the odd extra bit of sponsorship to come in.

Just a thought.

[Biggles08]

You gotta be joking Marcus. That's not how you went about your business in NZSBK or even club racing. No way in hell would you have signed up your sponsors and then just bolted never to be heard from again, telling 'em "It ain't that hard to find out" when they made an enquiry as to what was happening after providing money/product/services etc.

Spyda ia definitely no "keyboard hack", I hate to think how much time and effort he's put in, or how much it's personally cost him for the privilige of sitting in that lonely commentators seat at NZSBK, or club rounds, or dragging his glorious bikes around the country just for other people to enjoy at no gain to himself, and Christ knows what else over the years. And on top that he's still happy to reach deeper into his sky rocket to help someone else achieve their dreams. The bottom line is that the boys wouldn't be exploring that big wide world out there if it wasn't for blokes like Spyda paying for it. And now he's being abused for saying "Oi, how's about a lil' feedback fella's"? Faark, my knickers would be a lil' bunchy too.

His comments should be sucked up, and treated with respect 'cos chances are some of the other people financing this dream are also feeling a lil' burned. Take it on the chin and either point them in the right direction or make adjustments to capture these people 'cos at the moment some are obviously slipping through the net. "The people that matter"? Mate, everyone who contributed matters, full stop, end of story.

EDIT: I'm not having a go at Sam and co here, just pointing out that someone who helped pay for this adventure has raised an issue, the person and the issue should be shown some respect and handled appropriately.

That's putting words in my mouth Slowpoke...and to save anymore angst I certainly wasn't having a go at Spyda or calling him a Keyboard hack...however...since you brought it up, what good is going to come of starting a thread entitled "Take the money and Run" apart from causing shit? Sam and Drew are communication as far as I can tell to the majority, if not all of their financial backers sufficiently...I can't say that for certain of course but many have already been on here saying they have been getting regular updates so they certainly haven't "taken the money and run." and I think its out of place saying this.

Personally I believe if spyda had an issue with lack of communication from the Crofts there is better, more appropriate ways of asking for that to be rectified (rather than putting it on this forum in the manner it was). And once rectified he could have shared it on KB for all those that can't seem to realize there is more to this world than this site.

Marcus

[jellywrestler]

Personally I believe if spyda had an issue with lack of communication from the Crofts there is better, more appropriate ways of asking for that to be rectified (rather than putting it on this forum in the manner it was). And once rectified he could have shared it on KB for all those that can't seem to realize there is more to this world than this site.

Looking at Sam's facebook page there's been plenty of travelling to the EJC meetings and many many other places and the odd piccy of the EJC, nil on the official website for months. The Croft racing page has a little more than his personal FB page.

Fact is to Marcus Sam has had it pointed out that a lot of people helped get him over there and a lot want to hear how it's all going, but aren't. I talk to way more motorcycle people than most and many ask what he's up to, simple fact.

He used many avenues to raise funds and awareness yet seems to have turned his back on a number of those now the cheques have cleared and they're on the road.
Website not touched for months either. Now i'm well aware they aren't getting the results they'd expected doesn't matter a toss to me what I and others want to hear is about the journey, look at post 24, true kiwi style working for accom on the IOM and getting around without a wallet, that's all i asked, the title may have been blunt but I work hard for my money like many others and whether it's ten dollars or ten thousand if someone takes money from a sponsor with the promise of feedback they should keep doing so.

[suzuki21]

Spyda and Robert you are not living in the same century. It is all about THEM - just listen to them talking at the track. In saying that Seth Deveraux is an oddity when it comes to race reports, maybe he is an old man trapped in a young mans body?

[Drew]

And sponsorship has many forms other than monetary handouts

Do I need to put some KSS stickers on the chair, for all the time you spend answering my inane questions?

[Robert Taylor]

Spyda and Robert you are not living in the same century. It is all about THEM - just listen to them talking at the track. In saying that Seth Deveraux is an oddity when it comes to race reports, maybe he is an old man trapped in a young mans body?

Yes you are correct, the last century was better. Communication was better, there weren't a ridiculous amount of forms of communication including Faceache. A time wasting medium where people post if they are sneezing and people are invited to comment.
Moreover, choosing a handful but not all of the forms of communication to reach out to people means that you often fail to ''completely communicate''. This is one of the very real negatives in this world of ours...............
We have been around long enough to evidence many who HAVE taken the money and run. And when the free flowing sponsorship money has dried up ( as it was inevitably going to ) some got their noses out of joint. They thought what prevailed until then was ''normal''
Spyda deserves recognition ( like many ) for what he has put in out of his own pocket. And if a little abrupt he was correct to question. And, if you use a plethora of media to attract sponsorship then it necessarily means you should use ALL that same media to file reports
Yes Seth is odd, his alphabet has two extra ''R'' s in it and he has the mechanical sympathy of an elephant.

[Robert Taylor]

Do I need to put some KSS stickers on the chair, for all the time you spend answering my inane questions?

Certainly not, I am more than happy to answer anybodies reasonable questions. Sometimes I just might have the correct answers! But this raises an interesting point about just how much works on non chargeable goodwill in this industry. TAKEN FOR GRANTED. Try asking a lawyer or a doctor for professional advice with no expectation of a charge for same................

[Drew]

Certainly not, I am more than happy to answer anybodies reasonable questions. Sometimes I just might have the correct answers! But this raises an interesting point about just how much works on non chargeable goodwill in this industry. TAKEN FOR GRANTED. Try asking a lawyer or a doctor for professional advice with no expectation of a charge for same................

I was only half joking. I certainly try not to take anyone for granted that is helpful. Though I probably fail a lot.

[Biggles08]

Looking at Sam's facebook page there's been plenty of travelling to the EJC meetings and many many other places and the odd piccy of the EJC, nil on the official website for months. The Croft racing page has a little more than his personal FB page.

Fact is to Marcus Sam has had it pointed out that a lot of people helped get him over there and a lot want to hear how it's all going, but aren't. I talk to way more motorcycle people than most and many ask what he's up to, simple fact.

He used many avenues to raise funds and awareness yet seems to have turned his back on a number of those now the cheques have cleared and they're on the road.
Website not touched for months either. Now i'm well aware they aren't getting the results they'd expected doesn't matter a toss to me what I and others want to hear is about the journey, look at post 24, true kiwi style working for accom on the IOM and getting around without a wallet, that's all i asked, the title may have been blunt but I work hard for my money like many others and whether it's ten dollars or ten thousand if someone takes money from a sponsor with the promise of feedback they should keep doing so.

Did you sponsor them $$$ Spyda? As far as I can tell they send regular reports to both their sponsors and their supporters. They most likely send updates to all the main media outfits too... but just because they have not been on here it gives you the right to accuse them of ignoring their supporters?! Maybe I wouldn't have my knickers in such a twist if you didn't post such a blatantly obvious shit stirring dig at a couple of guys out there struggling to do it...maybe then you might have some sort of point but as far as I can see you don't.

I know you are involved in many supportive ways within Motorcycling NZ and I do on the main, actually admire what you do (especially your commenting for Ctas :-P) but in this case you are wrong.

Marcus.

[Drew]

Did you sponsor them $$$ Spyda? As far as I can tell they send regular reports to both their sponsors and their supporters. They most likely send updates to all the main media outfits too... but just because they have not been on here it gives you the right to accuse them of ignoring their supporters?! Maybe I wouldn't have my knickers in such a twist if you didn't post such a blatantly obvious shit stirring dig at a couple of guys out there struggling to do it...maybe then you might have some sort of point but as far as I can see you don't.

I know you are involved in many supportive ways within Motorcycling NZ and I do on the main, actually admire what you do (especially your commenting for Ctas :-P) but in this case you are wrong.

Marcus.

You mean with one of your eyes firmly closed, you can't see or aren't trying to see, what it is he's saying.

[jellywrestler]

Did you sponsor them $$$ Spyda? but just because they have not been on here it gives you the right to accuse them of ignoring their supporters?!

cold hard cash yes but only a small amount, nevertheless still a contribution to help with their journey.

you're often mouthing on about other people putting words other peoples mouths, tell me where I said they're not on KB , and where I said they're ignoring their supporters???
there are many outlets that they could use, they chose to use KB to assist with fundraising and haven't really kept along those lines to report back on how it's going, that's just one outlet of many.
The website is dormant, or has been for months, I peruse the main stream motorcycle mags and can't recall anything there, although I only scoot through them so please don't quote me on that.
NZ Moto have had coverage on their recent EJC cup experiences, but only after it was pointed out to them that they do actually have some sort of obligation to those who gave to their wider fundraising efforts.
The error in my heading for my first post should've contained a question mark, as that's what i meant, and used this forum to see what others have found of their journey What other forum should I have put the question out there on Marcus?


Marcus's quoteAs far as I can tell they send regular reports to both their sponsors and their supporters. fact is as they embarked on a widespread fundraising campaign, rather than solely targeting individual cheques etc from targeted sponsors who may or may not be getting space on their bike leathers etc they don't know who in all cases are and aren't their supporters so while they're sending detailed reports to some sponsors/supporters they're not covering all who helped in some way to get them there...