Fully qualified Sifter.
I hear ya mate. But where do you draw the line? When millions of jews are being gassed? Or hundreds of Syrians? Where will it stop? And don't think for a min I think the Yanks firing missiles at the fuckers will help one little bit...just asking the question!Originally Posted by Banditbandit
Aio ki te Aorangi
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Hardcore Biker
My opinion:-
Why do we idly stand by when our own Prime Minister commits acts which are regarded as war crimes?
The act of aggression is regarded as the worst of war crimes and the Nazi leaders were charged with that crime and hanged after being found guilty.
In my opinion Key should be in gaol for his aiding and abetting the terrorists in Libya. With our tax dollars!
Now he is contemplating helping out the terrorists again, just in a different country. He appears to treat war like an Xbox game. (Has a professed affection for 'battles'.)
The US leaders may be able to get away with it because there appears nobody with the ability to bring them to account but perhaps the best way for the world to vent it's displeasure is to pick off the small supporters. Like when you want to attack any bully/gang leader. Best not to confront the bully with all his supporters around him but pick off the mates/underlings, when they are alone one, at a time.
Key's statement that the Russian initiative, in response to Kerry's throwaway line, puts Western leaders in a dilemma is indicative of his take on the situation.
He is happy to follow the US line without knowledge of the details. A bit like Hilary Clinton re. Libya when she asked "So who are these people we are helping and what do we know about them?" His assertion that NZ was ready to join in any action against North Korea was indicative of his allegiance. Perhaps as a show of solidarity he could send one of his sons with any other New Zealander's children he wants to send as support (cannon fodder) for any future US adventure.
Wolfowitz's assertion that the US had fifty countries lined up is looking believable.
Maybe NZ is on the list and Key is sucking up to them to get our name off the list.
According to recent reports the US has ten countries supporting it in its desire to attack Syria. Is that France, NZ, countries of the Pacific Forum - anybody else?
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I note Kerry's demeanor and that of David Cameron are very similar. ie verging on hysterical. Compare this to Assad's demeanor ie calm, rational and thoughtful.
The same dynamics as was seen before the invasion of Iraq. The US dudes were all hysterical muppets (except Dr. Death Cheney) whereas the Iraqis were very calm and rational. Hussein's offer to debate the issues with Bush for instance - Bush obviously wasn't interested in that. Being made a fool of by your frenemy on the International stage would have been hard to spin. I suppose the Western media would simply not have shown it. Usual approach - I think the NZ approach too . We are not well served by the mainstream media in this country
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
Hardcore Biker
Was his question asking why is the US, and its supporters trying to engineer the overthrow of the Government of Syria?
Clearly they are not the 'Hero on a White horse' riding to the defence of an oppressed people - no matter how hard they try to spin it.
If they would get their 'assets' out of Syria and stop supplying arms and financial support then the conflict would abate.
A headline in a major US paper pronounced 'The West Is Losing In Syria'. A few weeks later and we have the chemical weapons attack which is justification for an attack - lets go and bomb them - "teach them a lesson" they said. How puerile are these people? How fucking dumb do they think the US people are? That they could blithely swallow this bull puckey - We can't wait for any proof - we have to strike now. We know what went on - They are quite possibly right there as it is well within the bounds of reason to suspect that they were complicit or even responsible for the attack.
Interesting to see the inflated death toll the US is quoting. - nearly five times the British or French figures.
They say 'Everything is bigger in Texas' - maybe one thing is bigger in Washington - the lies.
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
Forum whore
Syria really isn't going to be a quick fix
Latest news is that the rebels plan to launch a false flag chemical weapon attack from Syrian army controlled areas against Israel in the hope that Israel will wipe out the Syrian army.
Political correctness: a doctrine which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd from the clean end.
Fully qualified Sifter.
I didn't say it was...nor that they are indeed horse mounted. But if the people can't overthrow the government as the *government* is a fixed dictatorship...do the people of the country actually have a say anway? Is this not why there is such a cluster fuck there anyway? And if indeed the *government* has started gassing it's very own people...what do you think should be done?
Hardcore Biker
Sodium Fluoride - the same stuff added to the drinking water and an ingredient in toothpaste and pesticides. Can also be made in a lab without too much trouble - if they can make Sarin they can make their own Sodium Fluoride. Media beat up.
I love the smell of twin V16's in the morning..
Fully qualified Sifter.
Agree. Lot's of bollocks floating round on all sides.
Aio ki te Aorangi
Those sorts of things must go unnoticed by the security services. Could be a beat up though.
Hardcore Biker
Minnesota-based news site called Mint Press News (8/29/13) said "Syrians in Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack." ?
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
Anarchic Wild Child
I have no idea mate. I've asked myself many questions on this one - and I am so not sure that there is a right side on this one ..
Bashar Al-Assad is a nasty dictator who is killig his own people - including using chemical weapons do to so ... and is a Ba'arth Party leader - a secular party
The rebels, witrh the pro-Al Qaeda Al Nusra Front in a leadership position, are extremely likely to put in a radical Moslem theocracy if they win - and will almost certainly attack Israel ..
There's also a Sunni (rebels) fighting Shi'a (Government supporters) - Assad comes from the Shi'a minorty - 12% of the popuation .. the ruling elite ...
So ... Where do I stand ?? No fucking idea ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Fully qualified Sifter.
As I've said before...it's a total cluster fuck either way. What a mess. Glad I'm not making the decisions...
Anarchic Wild Child
Yeah .. I'm inclined to the position that we stay out of it ... it is probably the safest option i the long run .. and with no clear side to support now it's the better short term option as well
As you say - a complete cluster-fuck ... but then, that's the Middle East for you - even the Romans had problems there ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Fully qualified Sifter.
I doubt you'll ever see peace in them parts!
Curmudgeon
Yeah, what did the Romans ever do for us...?
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