America's Cup

[Road kill]

I dig the big cats,as far as I know their the peak the top of the line the big kahuna and they are most definately sailing.

Fuck the commoners this is about as good as you can get and should be the exclusive reserve of those that can afford it.

Then peasants like me can see the best of the best.

Oracle being deducted points has buggered the real race,,,from here on if TNZ wins it will be by default.

How gutting would/will that be to a true competitor.

[Ocean1]

Aye, there in lies the rub. Make a mis-judgement on the big trimaran & it's new undies time.

Anybody have an inkling how to demonstrate wind power, 72ft at 46 knots etc into horsepowers? Or probably more spectacularly, torques..

There's a common issue in sailing all multi-hulls: the major control inputs are all close to a point where negative feedback becomes positive feedback. Changing the laws of physics takes more than even AC72 budgets, hence the carnage when they get it even slightly wrong.

Only by assessing the power of an engine required to generate that performance. I think MT mentioned the HP of the chase boats, I don't know their displacement, DWL etc but it wouldn't surprise me if required HP was in that ballpark.

[Ocean1]

That's what Humpty Fay was hoping for when he had the big boat (KZ1) constructed in 1988. Unfortunately for him Dennis Conner answered with a multihull interpretation of the rules.

Yeah, but a modern incarnation of Js would still be my pick for the AC rule, huge rigs, big crews, actual sails and actual sail changing.

And while they wouldn't be as fast as the cats their size alone would make them as impressive as fuck.

[Ocean1]

I recall seeing something on the nudes yonks ago, an interview with one of the designers, Kiwi as bloke. He refused to set foot on the boat if it was about to sail.. Home brewed.

Good article about the tech crew here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion...lors-the-stars

[Mental Trousers]

I was wondering how many of the sailors ride bikes after watching Dean Barker chuck his boat right on it's ear in one of the races, it looked like a race bike flipping from peg to peg then having the throttle cracked open at the apex. Spectacular stuff.

Only one I know of is Grant Dalton. Often see him at Hampton Downs for track days. Obviously, that's only when he's not under contract for yachting cos they don't like him doing anything dangerous (as if being onboard a 5 ton temperamental racing monster at 40 knots is safe).

I've just realized that one of the designers, Loren Poole, worked on the Britten V1000 and was also a test rider on it. At least I think it's him. There can't be that many kiwi Loren Poole's who worked on Superbikes around.

[nallac]

Only by assessing the power of an engine required to generate that performance. I thing MT mentioned the HP of the chase boats, I don't know their displacement, DWL etc but it wouldn't surprise me if required HP was in that ballpark.

A mate's working for Luna Rossi, he told me there chase boats run 4x300hp Motors or 3x300hp in the case of there lightest boat.
Even then they struggle to keep up..
Heres TNZ's Chase Boat 42' Long 1200Hp

[Mo NZ]

I watched most of the racing with KZ7 etc. And then that that cheating .... Dennis turned up with a cat when we wanted to sail the j class yacht , what a crock.
Oh well cats eh.
I think there is a little unfinished business after we were ripped off.
Then with all the Court stuff I turned off and stopped watching rich mans games and the associated shit that flowed.
Then we decided on a boat that was just an embarrassment and simply would not sail when it got a little breezy or rough.
Then with a little time on my hands I took a look at the latest Challenger Series.....
Bring on the 72's. Holy crap they can honk.
The "O" team are cheats, that's been proved.
Then they play the card designed for a breakage or related stuff, because they need to get better organised.
Not quite cheating but not in the spirit, not cheating but pushing the boundaries towards it.
Well "OH!.." team your in the shit with nowhere to hide and no one to blame when you don't sail well.
These 72's are tricky to sail well.
1 mistake and you can be gone. A poor tack and a wrong option and your very much behind the 8 ball.

I reckon they have the boat behind closed doors trying to figure out how they can change something to make it faster.
I don't they would hesitate to place something inside and almost undetectable, change the weight forward or something illegally,
like they did with the smaller cats. Caught , proved and punished.

" We will do what ever it takes "

I bet you will. Proven.. cheating Hua's that you are.


I think we have to improve our starting, and keep up the crew work.
Keep to the best place on the course and make the gains with the tidal relief from around Alcatraz Island for example. It pays in Spades.

Go the Kiwis.

[pzkpfw]

... Oracle being deducted points has buggered the real race,,,from here on if TNZ wins it will be by default.

How gutting would/will that be to a true competitor.

Depending on the final score.

If N.Z. win by more than 2 points, the point about penalty points is moot, and I don't give a hoot.

If they win with a margin of just 1, then yeah, the penalty means something; but then - what else can they do to Oracle for their cheating?

[awa355]

Making changes to the crew at this stage would suggest that Oracle have lost their direction. This stage of the regatta is not the time to look for new leadership or tactics.

I haven't watched the TVNZ coverage, but there is a you tube channel that has the race in full without any ads that I watch after my morning sleep. Hooked up to the telly it is great viewing.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Oracle being deducted points has buggered the real race,,,from here on if TNZ wins it will be by default.

How gutting would/will that be to a true competitor.

A true competitor doesn't cheat

They buggered them selves by cheating, just the same as some of the F1 teams have been delt point penalties in the past. If you cant do the time dont do the crime.

If the form of the two boats continues the penalty points wont mean a thing, looking like ETNZ could win with Oracle having a +2 point advantage

I just hope that no dirty tactics come in to play and there isnt a 'coming together' out on the course that significantly damages our boat

[MisterD]

I just hope that no dirty tactics come in to play and there isnt a 'coming together' out on the course that significantly damages our boat

Agreed, lets hope that Spithill doesn't want to become known as sailing's Michael Schumacher...

[Swoop]

Oracle being deducted points has buggered the real race

I disagree. The ruling of penalty points and "go race on the water" is a good decision for two reasons.
1. IF the US had a fast, competitive boat, the penalty points wouldn't make a difference in the final outcome.
2. A message needed to be sent to all competitors, that cheating will not be tolerated.

Finding quantities of lead hidden in the carbon layers? However did that get there?


You are correct with the "rich man's sport" description.

[awa355]

Can someone explain the difference between jybing and tacking? Are they required to do so many of each on each leg or are these simply positional manouvers?

[Mo NZ]

Can someone explain the difference between jybing and tacking? Are they required to do so many of each on each leg or are these simply positional manouvers?

A jibe or gybe is a sailing maneuver whereby a sailing vessel reaching downwind turns its stern through the wind, such that the wind direction changes from one side of the boat to the other. For square-rigged ships, this maneuver is called wearing ship.

In this maneuver, the mainsail will cross the center of the boat while the jib is pulled to the other side of the boat. If the spinnaker is up, the pole will have to be manually moved to the other side, to remain opposite the mainsail. In a dinghy, raising the centerboard can reduce the risk of capsizing during what can be a somewhat violent maneuver.

The other way to change the side of the boat that faces the wind is turning the bow of the boat into, and then through, the direction of the wind. This operation is known as tacking or coming about.

How many you do is up to you but usually only done to the minimum to reach the weigh point required.

[Paul in NZ]

Aye, but they don't always twang the way you might want. I've pitch-poled a paper tiger a few times, and it bloody hurts.

Yup - been out on the wire still moving forwards at flank speed while the hulls have essentially stopped and thinking - 'oh shit this is going to HURT' and then suffered the indignity of the 'safety boat' guys rolling around on their deck laughing their tits off... bastards.... You just mistime one wave crest and......