America's Cup

**ckai** · 25th September 2013, 16:01

One thing I can say is that Oracle boat is ASTONISHING!

I'd say, maybe the kiwis - TNZ that is

- are a very slightly better crew but they've made mistakes lately, be it on the start or, like the second race today, tacking in bloody no mans land. This has cost them dearly.

In the 2nd race, that Oracle boat just keep extending! Nuts. The first race, the kiwi's caught up. I don't fucken get it.

It looked to me that when TNZ made that tack Spittle seemed a bit shocked. He was given the race. Pretty basic error really.

Tomorrow is gonna be a bloody doozy. I can feel it....

and if it's not I'll be bloody disappointed in the lack of Kiwi fighting spirit.

**Road kill** · 25th September 2013, 17:59

Originally Posted by ckai

One thing I can say is that Oracle boat is ASTONISHING!

I'd say, maybe the kiwis - TNZ that is

- are a very slightly better crew but they've made mistakes lately, be it on the start or, like the second race today, tacking in bloody no mans land. This has cost them dearly.

In the 2nd race, that Oracle boat just keep extending! Nuts. The first race, the kiwi's caught up. I don't fucken get it.

It looked to me that when TNZ made that tack Spittle seemed a bit shocked. He was given the race. Pretty basic error really.

Tomorrow is gonna be a bloody doozy. I can feel it....

and if it's not I'll be bloody disappointed in the lack of Kiwi fighting spirit.

Bloody aye bro !

Must be those extended nuts I reckon.

**Mental Trousers** · 25th September 2013, 18:17

Originally Posted by ckai

One thing I can say is that Oracle boat is ASTONISHING!

I'd say, maybe the kiwis - TNZ that is

- are a very slightly better crew but they've made mistakes lately, be it on the start or, like the second race today, tacking in bloody no mans land. This has cost them dearly.

In the 2nd race, that Oracle boat just keep extending! Nuts. The first race, the kiwi's caught up. I don't fucken get it.

It looked to me that when TNZ made that tack Spittle seemed a bit shocked. He was given the race. Pretty basic error really.

Tomorrow is gonna be a bloody doozy. I can feel it....

and if it's not I'll be bloody disappointed in the lack of Kiwi fighting spirit.

The reason for tacking today was to keep in sync so that Oracle couldn't wriggle past. If you're getting the same air they are they can't find extra speed. Unfortunately, ETNZ didn't have enough of a lead to pull it off and Oracle had found a sweet mode.

But that and the race yesterday where they pulled back a big lead and were seconds away from over taking Oracle then they tacked was because they were tacking back to where the wind that gave them the burst was. But it wasn't there anymore. It should've been the safe bet. Oracle were in a bit of a dead zone and ETNZ were in pressure, but when they tacked there was nothing.

I think I might be calling in sick tomorrow no matter what.

**ckai** · 25th September 2013, 18:29

Originally Posted by Mental Trousers

The reason for tacking today was to keep in sync so that Oracle couldn't wriggle past. If you're getting the same air they are they can't find extra speed. Unfortunately, ETNZ didn't have enough of a lead to pull it off and Oracle had found a sweet mode.

Yeah I know why they were tacking in that 2nd race. When they did it though I thought they went slightly too early to do it in front of their faces (like they have done in the past). Looking at it from the chopper view, they definitely did it too early. The crazy thing is it just needed to be 5 seconds later at the absolute max to either force Oracle to starboard or try and dip (which would have been dumb). Oracle didn't even make a correction to dip them. Those buggers are going so fast that, when it's that close, decisions out by seconds make a massive difference.

Davies knew it as soon as they were half way through the tack as well.

Oh well, what's done is done. Makes it the closest Cup every. Great to be a part of that...and win the bugger

**Mental Trousers** · 25th September 2013, 18:45

Exactly. I thought if they were going to do it at least be on the mark-side of Oracle before tacking. Basic defensive tactics from most sports - stay between the man and the goal.

**oldrider** · 25th September 2013, 18:57

Expect the unexpected ETNZ have placed themselves in irons of expectation and seem to be afraid to do anything at all. Poor bastards!

It's all been said a thousand times, they know how to sail their boat just get out there and enjoy themselves, they have nothing to lose now and everything to gain!

They don't have to worry about the safety of their boat because after the next race it is obsolete and redundant ... just go for it and enjoy the moment!

I'm still enjoying it, win or lose it's still bloody exciting sailing, whatever!

**Madness** · 25th September 2013, 19:01

http://sandysviews.com/2013/09/24/an...m-new-zealand/

**awa355** · 25th September 2013, 19:11

The first 30seconds of ' Campbell Live ', Blaa blaa.... Americas cup....., tonight we are going to talk to a head shrink' Switch off time.

**scumdog** · 25th September 2013, 19:55

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Oh unless you are the quintessential 'Kiwi' whose self-belief rides in the ability of others to make you feel significant.

Too true F.!

We seem to have an overdose of that sort of person - and they seem too vocal about it as well.

**Road kill** · 25th September 2013, 20:13

I know squat about sailing and reading about it from the experts has taught me nuffin.

But those other fuckers can still hit a whale an sink,wouldn't that look groovy on Sky at 50mph ?

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Go Black.

**Ocean1** · 25th September 2013, 21:00

Originally Posted by MisterD

Getting emotionally involved with one Auckland-built boat because it's got a picture of a Buzzy Bee on it, versus another Auckland-built boat which doesn't?

I reckon this is a bit of a Pyrrhic victory for Ellison. Win the cup and kill the comp because nobody wants to match budgets with you.

You got it.

I don't think most kiwis know how much of the technology involved in every competing boat from day one has been NZ born and bred.

Which makes the all the rah-rah from the States a little ironic, donchathink.

MD · 25th September 2013, 21:03

Relax folks. Oracle will be resting under water tomorrow morning. I just emailed the French government that Oracle is a keen supporter of Green Peace, Oracle means 'Rainbow Warrior in Mongolian, they are anti nuke testing and their crew rejected the offer of a fleet of Peugeots calling them puke machines. One thing the French are good at is sinking boats.

**Ocean1** · 25th September 2013, 21:09

Originally Posted by ckai

One thing I can say is that Oracle boat is ASTONISHING!

The difference between the two boats is way less than 1%, it's just that now it's Oracle that's 1% up. It's a sport where a 1% advantage can often be leveraged into a lot more, especially from a leading position.

I'm surprised, though, that nobody's yet asked if all of the recent improvements have been... completely legal.

**oldrider** · 25th September 2013, 21:17

Originally Posted by Ocean1

The difference between the two boats is way less than 1%, it's just that now it's Oracle that's 1% up. It's a sport where a 1% advantage can often be leveraged into a lot more, especially from a leading position.

I'm surprised, though, that nobody's yet asked if all of the recent improvements have been... completely legal.

I read or heard on TV (or somewhere) that the boat has been altered quite a bit but scrutineers are continually remeasuring and checking the boats all the time!

**Edbear** · 25th September 2013, 21:33

Originally Posted by oldrider

I read or heard on TV (or somewhere) that the boat has been altered quite a bit but scrutineers are continually remeasuring and checking the boats all the time!

Yup. Oracle has resubmitted 12 times and TNZ 8 times.