MotoGP 2013

**Tony.OK** · 11th October 2013, 21:43

Originally Posted by Kornholio

Maybe this will stop em whinging or high-siding...

Shit if his lever touched that he's lucky to still have fingers haha.
As for outbraking himself........................show me a racer thats never done that! All just an unlucky coincidence really.
I'd actually thought he's settled down alot since Moto2, races hard but not as dangerous as he was last year with that swooping back overtaking crap he used to do.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 12th October 2013, 06:19

Originally Posted by ecko_nzed

Technically, you supporting people rear ending each other is more gay.

While I've never been a racer I'm gonna call bullshit! Put yourself in Pedro's place. If I did that to you after you'd just caught me and passed me that early in the race, would you be coming over to shake my hand afterwards. You'd be fucking dark on it I bet.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be racing hard, but he wasn't about to pass Pedro, he'd stuffed up his braking and got to close.

A gentle reminder from race direction that there are consequences is not out of order

You'd be wrong. I've had far harder moves put on me in the past...and done a few myself. I come from a moto-x backround where handle bar banging etc is all part of it. Same goes for road racing as far as I'm concerned. As long as it's *clean* (ish). It's easy enough to sucked in to going in too deep when you're drafting someone and hoping to out brake them mate. MM going for it when others may not is why he's actually leading the championship and more likely to win it than Pedro or Lorenzo. I won my TT race going from 4th to 1st in one swoop going into the Sweeper at Manfeild on the last lap in a move that was either gonna win it or put it through the fence. It's what you've gotta be prepared to do if you want it bad enough. I did, they didn't.

**Bender** · 12th October 2013, 07:16

MM has set MotoGP on fire - imagine what this year would be without him... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. GL and DP wooshing around the track so smoothly it looks like they're going slow.

Now Dorna start stamping all over MM to get him to back off? WTF is that?

To be honest I'm staggered no one at Honda looked at their rear sensor wire and realised how vulnerable it was.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 12th October 2013, 07:54

Originally Posted by Bender

MM has set MotoGP on fire - imagine what this year would be without him... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. GL and DP wooshing around the track so smoothly it looks like they're going slow.

Now Dorna start stamping all over MM to get him to back off? WTF is that?

To be honest I'm staggered no one at Honda looked at their rear sensor wire and realised how vulnerable it was.

I agree.

I agree.

I agree.

**ecko_nzed** · 12th October 2013, 08:01

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

You'd be wrong. I've had far harder moves put on me in the past...and done a few myself. I come from a moto-x backround where handle bar banging etc is all part of it. Same goes for road racing as far as I'm concerned. As long as it's *clean* (ish). It's easy enough to sucked in to going in too deep when you're drafting someone and hoping to out brake them mate. MM going for it when others may not is why he's actually leading the championship and more likely to win it than Pedro or Lorenzo. I won my TT race going from 4th to 1st in one swoop going into the Sweeper at Manfeild on the last lap in a move that was either gonna win it or put it through the fence. It's what you've gotta be prepared to do if you want it bad enough. I did, they didn't.

I guess it depends on your definition of clean. Causing damage that takes another rider out on lap 6 when you've over cooked it, cos let's face it, he wasn't passing anyone with that move, is just stupid, not clean.

Would you have pulled the same move in the TT on the first few laps, I don't think you would. There it's a time and place for desperation, lap 6 ain't it. Especially when you know you've got the pace to run with Dani.

But with my sort of attitude, l'd probably be a blue flag racer

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**Crasherfromwayback** · 12th October 2013, 08:14

Originally Posted by ecko_nzed

I guess it depends on your definition of clean. Causing damage that takes another rider out on lap 6 when you've over cooked it, cos let's face it, he wasn't passing anyone with that move, is just stupid, not clean.

Would you have pulled the same move in the TT on the first few laps, I don't think you would. There it's a time and place for desperation, lap 6 ain't it. Especially when you know you've got the pace to run with Dani.

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Yeah but the thing is...MM didn't take Pedrosa out mate. It was a freak thing that the (very light) contact made severed the TC cable. That was extrememly unfortunate and unlucky for Pedro...but that's also racing for ya. But MM didn't *take him out*. And I prob would actually. 250 Proddie racing was like that. Carnage.

**Drew** · 12th October 2013, 08:28

Originally Posted by ecko_nzed

I guess it depends on your definition of clean. Causing damage that takes another rider out on lap 6 when you've over cooked it, cos let's face it, he wasn't passing anyone with that move, is just stupid, not clean.

Would you have pulled the same move in the TT on the first few laps, I don't think you would. There it's a time and place for desperation, lap 6 ain't it. Especially when you know you've got the pace to run with Dani.

But with my sort of attitude, l'd probably be a blue flag racer

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I dunno that he wasn't gonna make a pass. MM has an unbelievable ability to get a bike stopped from what looks like far too deep an entry. I've commented on it here a few times even. This time I think Dani was ever so slightly away from where Marc thought he was gonna be, and he tapped him.

A different way to look at it though, is that even if MM knew he wasn't making that pass, Dani certainly wouldn't have discounted the possibility. Showing a wheel can often slow a leader down as they try and defend.

It's racing. It isn't about lap times a lot of the time.

**ecko_nzed** · 12th October 2013, 08:29

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Yeah but the thing is...MM didn't take Pedrosa out mate. It was a freak thing that the (very light) contact made severed the TC cable. That was extrememly unfortunate and unlucky for Pedro...but that's also racing for ya. But MM didn't *take him out*. And I prob would actually. 250 Proddie racing was like that. Carnage.

Yep it was unfortunate, but it was unfortunate for MM. It was still his light touch that took out the cable. Like any kid he's gonna push the boundaries to see what he can get away with until the parent says no. I thought it was the job of the rider overtaking to get past safely? That places the onus and therefore blame with MM?

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**Drew** · 12th October 2013, 08:36

Originally Posted by ecko_nzed

Yep it was unfortunate, but it was unfortunate for MM. It was still his light touch that took out the cable. Like any kid he's gonna push the boundaries to see what he can get away with until the parent says no. I thought it was the job of the rider overtaking to get past safely? That places the onus and therefore blame with MM?

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Mate, that's all well and good. Except there was nothing 'dirty' about what MM did. There was no intent. He wasn't being unsafe, he made a very slight mistake.

I know you've never raced, but when applying the good Mr Swantz' braking technique ("see God, then brake"), two meters further down the track makes a great pass a cluster fuck.

**Robert Taylor** · 12th October 2013, 08:37

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Don't speak too soon, ''the big one'' is coming sometime soon and that will mean the best and most well rounded and intelligent rider ( Lorenzo ) will win the title.

I just feel sorry for all those mothers that wished their sons were gay instead of supporting THAT lot on the Repsol bikes

**ecko_nzed** · 12th October 2013, 10:13

Originally Posted by Drew

Mate, that's all well and good. Except there was nothing 'dirty' about what MM did. There was no intent. He wasn't being unsafe, he made a very slight mistake.

I know you've never raced, but when applying the good Mr Swantz' braking technique ("see God, then brake"), two meters further down the track makes a great pass a cluster fuck.

Remind me to never go anywhere near a track with you and Pete on it

**Drew** · 12th October 2013, 10:24

Originally Posted by ecko_nzed

Remind me to never go anywhere near a track with you and Pete on it

Pete has sworn himself off the track I think. Were I (by some miracle) able to keep up with Pete, there might be some paint traded. On the 400 though, I reckon you'd be pretty safe.

**pritch** · 12th October 2013, 10:25

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Whilst 'T' boning people can't be condoned...swaping fairing paint should be encouraged.

I'm all for that, as long as nobody gets hurt. And as long as it doesn't involve me personally

Nobody much seems surprised that there was a penalty, nobody I've read seems to connect it soley with the recent incident.
There was more reaction to the deduction of points from Honda in the manufacturers championship. A lot of people, including me, were surprised at that.

One comment I saw said that other riders have been complaining about MM. No names were given and I hadn't seen that before. Perhaps somebody has been interviewing his own laptop?

When Rossi was asked what penalty he thought should be applied to Marquez, he said something to the effect that MM should be banned for a couple of years then laughed. Some journalists (Spanish?) used the quote but omitted to mention the laughter. Presumably in an attempt to create controversy and boost circulation.

Pedrosa is riding with pain killers as a result of his highside. Very fast pain killers apparently.