Will the USA default?

[Swoop]

What the hell is " Gerrymandering" ??

Gerrymandering of votes is essentially the drawing up of electoral boundaries (electorates) to favour political parties &/or candidates.

[Paul in NZ]

Gerrymandering of votes is essentially the drawing up of electoral boundaries (electorates) to favour political parties &/or candidates.

Yup

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerryma...#United_States

As I see it - the extreme ends of the political world in the USA are increasingly at odds with each other and all trying to 'win' an idealogical point regardless of the consequences.. And in this case the consequences could be HUGE.... If one of these nut case groups allows this to eventually happen then it may well trigger the depression to end all depressions. Frankly - from a historical perspective I'm amazed there has not been some kind of organised rebellion in the USA to date....

[sgtp]

Defunding the Obamacare initiative based on a dodgy political idea and ignoring that the majority of americans seem to like the idea is very naughty. Its come about because of the outrageous gerrymandering allowing unrepresentitive representation which is NOT what America was all about. It really has become the land of corporate control and screw the public....

My prediction - eventually the Unitied States will suffer rebellion of states much like Russia did. Except it will be an economic seperation rather than a ethnic one. California is already a big enough economy to arguably go it alone - Texas has never need too sure and if any of them do split off the shit fight will leave anything the Russians went through looking like a pre schoolers game of tiddly winks...

wtf are you smoking? the only people left in america that still "want" it are the people (govt, unions, obama campaign contributors...) that are exempt from its unconstitutional mandates. This law will kill america for good if its not tossed out, though that might be exactly what the agenda has been all along, Cloward-Piven style, etc....

I will agree that a revolution is neccessary, however. America is at a tipping point, I just hope the pendulum swings the right way.

[avgas]

Fk I hope the dont remember the wee party the Japanese had there a few years back

Im screwed

Stephen

Yeah - I eagerly await to see more chest beating over some crappy islands also.

[Paul in NZ]

wtf are you smoking? the only people left in america that still "want" it are the people (govt, unions, obama campaign contributors...) that are exempt from its unconstitutional mandates. This law will kill america for good if its not tossed out, though that might be exactly what the agenda has been all along, Cloward-Piven style, etc....

I will agree that a revolution is neccessary, however. America is at a tipping point, I just hope the pendulum swings the right way.

Sorry - you may well be correct that I'm probably a bit dim from the 70's still... but

Can you explain what you mean by unconstitutional mandates? I may be wrong but my impression is that this is a law that was effectively voted on by the populace in the last presidential election and that large numbers of people have been pretty keen on it? I don't think its been challanged on constitutional grounds?

This aside I think it is definately arguable that healthcare reform is well overdue in the USA.

As for the revolution comment - no I don't agree its a good idea at all but rather that given the pressures on the society and the distance between the extreme ideological ends of the society that some organised group has not taken up arms and rebelled. Particularly in the more coherent states.

[sgtp]

sorry, its been a crazy workday so I do not have the time spell it all out for you, but this video will give you a taste of whats to come with obamacare if its not tossed out in its entirety:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i86iEa56EOY


For the record, all mainstreem reports on this disasterouse bill have essentially been propaganda, the real storry comes from the common man, who will be turning from citizen to subject if the tides dont turn soon in America. The way things are going there its hard to know where to focus your outrage, as everything is going to shit at the same time...sad days are coming

[slowpoke]

For the record, all mainstreem reports on this disasterouse bill have essentially been propaganda, the real storry comes from the common man, who will be turning from citizen to subject if the tides dont turn soon in America. The way things are going there its hard to know where to focus your outrage, as everything is going to shit at the same time...sad days are coming

So you are saying the Democrats own mainstream media? To paraphrase yourself: what are you smoking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/op...tory.html?_r=0

The common man you speak of seems to be loving the concept, as should any free thinking human being who thinks of genuine outcomes rather than party mantra:

"You realize those computer failures that have hampered sign-ups in the early days — to the smug delight of the critics — confirm that there is enormous popular demand. You have probably figured out that the real mission of the Republican extortionists and their big-money backers was to scuttle the law before most Americans recognized it as a godsend and rendered it politically untouchable.

What you may not know is that the Affordable Care Act is also beginning, with little fanfare, to accomplish its second great goal: to promote reforms to our overpriced, underperforming health care system."

New York Times

[Paul in NZ]

sorry, its been a crazy workday so I do not have the time spell it all out for you, but this video will give you a taste of whats to come with obamacare if its not tossed out in its entirety:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i86iEa56EOY


For the record, all mainstreem reports on this disasterouse bill have essentially been propaganda, the real storry comes from the common man, who will be turning from citizen to subject if the tides dont turn soon in America. The way things are going there its hard to know where to focus your outrage, as everything is going to shit at the same time...sad days are coming

Citizen to subject?

Bahahahah

Are you for real? "bless god?'" FFS Golly wild bill - u is a great christian...

The vast majority of people in the USA are victims of the system designed to 'free' them. You are free only if you can afford to be free in that system... I note 'wild bill' didnt offer a private medical insurance cover example for the guy with type 1. (and type 1 ISNT that common anyway. Type 2's are more common) I'll be a sack of rancid pork bellies that if his mate tried to get cover as a type 1 with a normal insurance outfit the $$ amount would be 3 times that assuming they would even touch him..

Hell - I'm a type 1 - you try and get affordable health or life insurance HERE with that tag....

Sheesh...

[avgas]

Affordable Care Act

Can you explain the difference between the ACA and Obamacare?

[Paul in NZ]

Can you explain the difference between the ACA and Obamacare?

ACA is its official name...

[avgas]

ACA is its official name...

Saying one is supported by the general populus supported or against is a joke.....they don't know its the same thing.

[Paul in NZ]

All thats done is show how party politics have clouded these issues. People are so wedded to their theoretical ideals (imposed on them by radicals in the parties) that they cannot apply common sense to anything.

Healthcare in the USA has been a major issue for decades and at last someone has the balls to do something and the nazis are baying for blood. They are not 100% sure why they are baying for it but since a black guys fronting it then its probably anti american. These are the same morons who don't think Obama was born in the USA...

[oldrider]

All thats done is show how party politics have clouded these issues. People are so wedded to their theoretical ideals (imposed on them by radicals in the parties) that they cannot apply common sense to anything.

Healthcare in the USA has been a major issue for decades and at last someone has the balls to do something and the nazis are baying for blood. They are not 100% sure why they are baying for it but since a black guys fronting it then its probably anti american. These are the same morons who don't think Obama was born in the USA...

You would get the same result in NZ with peoples attachment to the two main political parties! ... Real independent thinkers NZr's!

[Banditbandit]

Amerika's fucked .. and it's going to screw up the world economy because two parties are so entrenched in their bullshit ideologies that they can't even sit down and talk sensibly ...

I hope China ends up owning them .. Amerika owes China billions ... and the Chinese just might call in the debt ... (pretty amazing when the so called "Greatest Capitalist nation in the world" owes its economic survival to the most populated Communist country ...)

[oldrider]

Amerika's fucked .. and it's going to screw up the world economy because two parties are so entrenched in their bullshit ideologies that they can't even sit down and talk sensibly ...

I hope China ends up owning them .. Amerika owes China billions ... and the Chinese just might call in the debt ... (pretty amazing when the so called "Greatest Capitalist nation in the world" owes its economic survival to the most populated Communist country ...)

Maybe they are really just two covers of the same book!