F1 and F2 or Superbike and Supersport for Nationals

[Drew]

l am talking about stock engines not ones played around with

Oh right. That's completely out of context in this thread then.

[Drew]

I don't disagree with the idea,But you obviously didnt read my post above on that subject,Its NOT gonna happen as the distributors do not want it and as Steve has rightly pointed out We need their support.

It might be worth it for BMW to pony up some cash. If stockers were the call, they would decimate all I think.

[mr bucketracer]

I don't disagree with the idea,But you obviously didnt read my post above on that subject,Its NOT gonna happen as the distributors do not want it and as Steve has rightly pointed out We need their support.

sorry i did not understand you post , just going of what a thought you were on about sorry , will stay out off it because i'm a bucket racer lol

[Drew]

will stay out off it because i'm a bucket racer lol

Ooohhhh, if only that were true.

[jellywrestler]

Tying the tri series and the nats together leads to less racing. I don't much like that.

there is no tri-series anymore anyway.

[Drew]

there is no tri-series anymore anyway.

Sorry. 'Suzuki series'.

Must get my entry in this week come to think of it.

[Billy]

sorry i did not understand you post , just going of what a thought you were on about sorry , will stay out off it because i'm a bucket racer lol

Why its an open forum and everybody's allowed an opinion,I was just clarifying the situation for you

[wharfy]

The main problem for NZ nationals is lack of depth of talent. We have a limited number of top class riders. No amount of tweaking the classes is going to fix that.
Classes like 250 proddy are great for introducing people to the sport and spotting talent and a good way for less than top class riders to be "part of the nationals" without breaking their bank or endangering their lives (and the lives of others) - But only a handful of those will have the talent to eventually run at the pointy end of the premier classes and that is where the good guys want to go.

There are a handful of riders in NZ that have the ability to stay on the same lap as the current NZ superbike champ for 15 laps. Regardless of what the rules for the class are.
A similar number for the Supersport champ, and other classes at the nats.

A quick check (because 75% of statistics are made up on the spot ) from mylaps - At Ruapuna in the last Nats :
8 people finished on the same lap in superbikes.
12 people finished on the same lap in supersport.
All 14 riders finished on the same lap in prolite 250
19 of the 27 starters finished on the same lap in pro-twin/superlite

So I think we should have rules that will allow more overseas riders to bring their bikes here for our National series and our guys/girls to take their bikes to Ozz (or even further afield)
The Nats aren't for people to "have a go" - that's what club racing is for (and where most racing is done - by a long stretch)
And for those who want to take a poke at my "premier class" statement - I bet a $1 to a knob of goat shit that Stroudy never wanted to be 9 times NZ 250 champ (and you can hold the stakes in your moth)

[steveyb]

(because 75% of statistics are made up on the spot )

Hahahahahahahahahaha


But pretty spot on with the rest of it there Wharfy.

Anyone would think you have too much time to think.

[Skunk]

So I think we should have rules that will allow more overseas riders to bring their bikes here for our National series and our guys/girls to take their bikes to Ozz (or even further afield)

I can't remember clearly but didn't NZ change it's rules to be more inline with Oz?; but I don't know of any that have brought/taken bikes. Most seem to use local bikes. If that's accurate there is no need for our rules to match anyone else's.


If it ain't smokin' - it's broken.

[Robert Taylor]

It might be worth it for BMW to pony up some cash. If stockers were the call, they would decimate all I think.

Why stump up cash to make a loss?

[koba]

Distill the classes down to:

• A 'supersport' style 600 class
• Formula 3 class open to all sorts of innovations.
• All-in post classics with sub classes.
• Sidecars.

Then just have more racing to fill the gaps.

Prob need a feeder class too, so keep 250's (Current model argument) but also allow 150 strokers and buckets.
Attempt to tailor the rules for an even playing field (Impossible but make an effort)





EDIT: I actually understand reality, just posting as a thought provoker.

[CHOPPA]

From what I see NZ racing is doing very well

[jellywrestler]

From what I see NZ racing is doing very well

i'd agree with that having been in amomgst it for over thirty years there's still healthy grids in most areas. Sure there's been ups and downs and bigger grids at times but the world wasa very different place in those times.

what gets me is why we aren't getting overseas visitors to do the suzuki series or the first few rounds of the nats??
thre weeks ago we had seven kiwi road racers at three different international meetings. from a pool of maybe 550

here's a beaut country to holiday in, the interweb to sort your shit out before hand and a wourld renown street circuit in amongst it all.
Now street racing isn't everyones cup of cha but surely in a worl full of road racers it's on a few bucket lists.

[suzuki21]

i'd agree with that having been in amomgst it for over thirty years there's still healthy grids in most areas. Sure there's been ups and downs and bigger grids at times but the world wasa very different place in those times.

what gets me is why we aren't getting overseas visitors to do the suzuki series or the first few rounds of the nats??
thre weeks ago we had seven kiwi road racers at three different international meetings. from a pool of maybe 550

here's a beaut country to holiday in, the interweb to sort your shit out before hand and a wourld renown street circuit in amongst it all.
Now street racing isn't everyones cup of cha but surely in a worl full of road racers it's on a few bucket lists.

Probably the same reason as why a good rider can get invited to the Macau Gp and Cemetery Circuit but cant get a bike/sponsorship.