Old multi-cylinder bikes of the 50s to later on. Japanese, British, Euro, etc

[T.W.R]

Aww Husaberg..disappointed, got notification of a quote then see you've deleted it

follow the link as it's a more concise look at the V Sei or in fact the 3 of them and how Alfieri was brought in on a consultative basis

http://www.breganzane.com/history/v6.php

Seeing how you zeroed in on a word of Designed rather than Crafted don't insult the bike by calling it essentially a Maserati because of design influences, that puts it in the same ball park as calling an early Katana a BMW or every bevel Ducati of the 70s & early 80s a Seeley or even calling a Darmah an Italjet.
We all know Hans Muth the BMW designer was contracted to design the original Katana
Colin Seeley was directly responsible for the frames of dukes up to the last MHRs.
And Leopoldo Tartarini of Italjet had done design styling for ducati and was given the sole styling design brief for the Darmah
Or why not call the Benelli TNT1150 the modern Laverda triple because that's basically what it is

[husaberg]

Aww Husaberg..disappointed, got notification of a quote then see you've deleted it

follow the link as it's a more concise look at the V Sei or in fact the 3 of them and how Alfieri was brought in on a consultative basis

http://www.breganzane.com/history/v6.php

Seeing how you zeroed in on a word of Designed rather than Crafted don't insult the bike by calling it essentially a Maserati because of design influences, that puts it in the same ball park as calling an early Katana a BMW or every bevel Ducati of the 70s & early 80s a Seeley or even calling a Darmah an Italjet.
We all know Hans Muth the BMW designer was contracted to design the original Katana
Colin Seeley was directly responsible for the frames of dukes up to the last MHRs.
And Leopoldo Tartarini of Italjet had done design styling for ducati and was given the sole styling design brief for the Darmah
Or why not call the Benelli TNT1150 the modern Laverda triple because that's basically what it is

Truth is just I get sick of beating up on you............
Its hardly sport when it is so easy.
You are wrong ....... is that concise enough for you.
Look at you original quote.......
Actually look at all your posts on the thread, still waiting for something useful.

[leathel]

I haven't read all this thread....and well this is not competition....but it is multi cylinder :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ratfuML9QA

Leaves me a bit cold though

[husaberg]

A Suzuki page i haven't translated it yet. At least the pics are in Engerish.


http://jfrmc.ganriki.net/nkmenu.htm

[avgas]

Seeing how you zeroed in on a word of Designed rather than Crafted don't insult the bike by calling it essentially a Maserati because of design influences, that puts it in the same ball park as calling an early Katana a BMW or every bevel Ducati of the 70s & early 80s a Seeley or even calling a Darmah an Italjet.
We all know Hans Muth the BMW designer was contracted to design the original Katana
Colin Seeley was directly responsible for the frames of dukes up to the last MHRs.
And Leopoldo Tartarini of Italjet had done design styling for ducati and was given the sole styling design brief for the Darmah
Or why not call the Benelli TNT1150 the modern Laverda triple because that's basically what it is

Don't confuse the design house with the designer.......even Oberdan Bezzi isn't allowed to mention what bikes he has worked on.
If you were to make that comparison. A modern Ducati and a Jawa would have a lot in comparison.

Also Hans was contracted to assist the design of the Kat. But only a fool would believe that to be a 100% german design. The fact it had IL4 accross, normal suspension, square headlight.........no to mention the 100's of other Mirai-tekina (futurist) rather than just modernest/bauhaus elements....I very much doubt this was a solo effort. Compare R-series BMWs and you soon see he had some outside help. I imagine there are a few unnamed, young, Japanese designers that were 'forgotten'. Even the XN85 seems to be more aligned with the BMW R-series than the orginal Kat.

Holden Viva = DeLorean + Ferrari?
Nah just same firm - different people.

[dangerous]

Even the XN85 seems to be more aligned with the BMW R-series than the orginal Kat.

having had both... HOW THE FARK ya figger that???

[husaberg]

Now bobo has f-ed off....

[F5 Dave]

[I][/Iahh Yamalicious.

[pete376403]

Anyone mentioned these yet? I recall reading they were very fast but prone to seizing. Bill Ivy was killed when one of them did just that.

[dangerous]

Anyone mentioned these yet? I recall reading they were very fast but prone to seizing. Bill Ivy was killed when one of them did just that.

looks rather flash for a Jawa... tel us about it?

[husaberg]

Anyone mentioned these yet? I recall reading they were very fast but prone to seizing. Bill Ivy was killed when one of them did just that.

I think it was jack Findlay who was also offered a contract as well. His wife said no way, clever lady.
I have never actually seen a colour photo of one.

[pete376403]

looks rather flash for a Jawa... tel us about it?

These people have the story: http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19290/lot/449/
(the one for sale is a Yamaha powered replica)

"If ever there was a Grand Prix racing motorcycle famous for all the wrong reasons, it is the notorious Jawa V4, which claimed the life of former world champion Bill Ivy at the Sachsenring in 1969. Ivy crashed in practice when the temperamental Czech two-stroke seized at high speed, the bike and its rider sliding into an unprotected concrete wall.

Jawa's hopes of Grand Prix glory effectively ended with Bill Ivy's passing. Yet despite its fearsome reputation there was no shortage of riders willing to race the V4, which was the only credible rival to MV Agusta in the 350 class. The likes of Jack Findlay, Ginger Molloy and Silvio Grassetti all raced the Czech two-strokes with some success, Grassetti's 2nd place at the Italian Grand Prix in 1969 being the best result achieved. When the FIM banned multi-cylinder engines from the 350 class at the end of the '69 season, the Jawa V4's career was effectively over.

According to information kindly supplied by the Prague Technical Museum, only three complete Type 673 racers were completed by the factory in period, plus a number of spare engines, a handful of which were 420cc. Of the three complete machines retained by the Jawa factory museum in the 1970s, one is still there while another was bought circa 1990 by a Mr Faber from Vienna and is now owned by a German enthusiast. The third was bought and restored by its designer, Zdenek Tichy, and since 2003 has been owned by the Prague Technical Museum."

[husaberg]

If i can be arsed tomorrow i will scan a classic racer piece on it, if i can find it........

[pete376403]

another interesting web site http://www.kocmoc.com/BikeCorner/cz/

'In the 1969, the CZ launched a real technical wonder: the 350 "Typ-860" GP (six pics above), with V-four engine, developed by the engineer Frantisek Pudil since 1967. This beautiful and advanced bike, with double head camshaft, 16 valves (the intake valves in Titanium), 8-speeds gearbox, Ceriani fork and Dell'Orto SSI carburettors, had a power of 63 hp/16.000 rpm (max speed 240 km/h). Unfortunately, the development of this bike was penalized by the heavy Czechoslovakian political crisis. Initially, the engine was equipped with a system of injection produced by the english brand Lucas, but the new pro-Soviet nomenklatura forbidden the shipment of the CZ engine in England! Although these hard difficulties, the 350 V4 obtained several good results: the best was made in 1971, at the Czeckoslovakian Grand Prix when Bohumil Stasa arrived second in the wheels of Jarno Saarinen on his 350cc twin Yamaha. It is in 1972 that it misses the victory at the Austrian Grand Prix. Just few laps before the finish, the CZ was leading in front of Giacomo Agostini when it had to retire...In the 1972, the CZ abandoned the GP competitions to concentrate the efforts in the motocross, less expensive.'

[Bert]

Sorry not really a 1950's.... but cool all the same.
no where else to put this (was going to place it in the formula 1 discussion in the racing thread; but why waste it)...



Still brings a smile to my face...

grab a beer and enjoy.