Harley's new LAMS bike

[Crasherfromwayback]

With the intro of these bikes they should drop the 883 sporty!! there is absolutely no point for its existence now.

Can't agree sorry. The 883 is still an awesome entry level HD...and one a lot of people love to bits.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Can't agree sorry. The 883 is still an awesome entry level HD...and one a lot of people love to bits.

but Shirley, the point of the street 500 and 750 is that they are the "entry level HD". So your 750 might appeal to someone like me if it isnt LAMS (and it is over 660cc so it cant be sold to learners).

I think that the 750 and the 883 share the exact same market segment. and I think that the 883 might be seen as more "authentic" than the 750 so maybe the 750 is for markets where there is no learner capacity limit, and/or anything imported is crucified by duties. So (as a hypothetical example, in NZ the range goes 500 street, 883, 1200, big twins, trikes. But in india maybe 500 Street, 750 Street then a huge price gap and big twins only. or 1200s only.

It remains to be seen. What is clear is that HD's plans for world domination are bearing fruit.

[Crasherfromwayback]

but Shirley, the point of the street 500 and 750 is that they are the "entry level HD". So your 750 might appeal to someone like me if it isnt LAMS (and it is over 660cc so it cant be sold to learners).

I think that the 750 and the 883 share the exact same market segment. and I think that the 883 might be seen as more "authentic" than the 750 so maybe the 750 is for markets where there is no learner capacity limit, and/or anything imported is crucified by duties. So (as a hypothetical example, in NZ the range goes 500 street, 883, 1200, big twins, trikes. But in india maybe 500 Street, 750 Street then a huge price gap and big twins only. or 1200s only.

It remains to be seen. What is clear is that HD's plans for world domination are bearing fruit.

Yeah they may be entry level HD's (the 500 anyway) for lams riders...but the 883 is still gonna be an entry level HD for anyone with a full licence coming off smaller bikes. It also goes potato potato...which I doubt the new one will do.

[Drew]

Yeah they may be entry level HD's (the 500 anyway) for lams riders...but the 883 is still gonna be an entry level HD for anyone with a full licence coming off smaller bikes. It also goes potato potato...which I doubt the new one will do.

The blurb on the link says it sounds like a Harley...

Can't see it though, only smallish capacity V twin with a deep note that I can think of is the VTR250. Dunno why that is, things sound like a Ducati with a straight pipe on 'em though.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The blurb on the link says it sounds like a Harley...

Can't see it though, only smallish capacity V twin with a deep note that I can think of is the VTR250. Dunno why that is, things sound like a Ducati with a straight pipe on 'em though.

Yeah well HD ain't about to say it sounds like a Hyosung mate. But the new engines won't be the same crank pin/rod setup of the 45 deg pushrod motor...so will sound like a *normal* vee twin think you'll find. Sounds like this...

[HenryDorsetCase]

That's a decent cover of "Come Together" too.

[AllanB]

Looks really fucking cool to me, being water cooled it'll probably perform quite well too.

This is EXACTLY what Harley needs to be recruiting younger riders.

Still thinks it looks like a Yamaha clone....

Which in itself is very interesting. Given Harley have spend decades making a big thing about their 'real' image and 'original' look they are now effectively copying the Japanese 'copies' of Harleys - a clone of a clone so to speak.

So what's in a badge? I have often read many a magazine review of the latest Italian wonder bike from brand XYZ and thought - heck if it was a Jap bike with some issues you'd slam it in your review but you pass it off as 'character' solely on the basis of the bike being build by an Italian company. Fuel injection is a current example - has MV ever produced a first edition with acceptable fuel injection? If Honda, Suzuki etc produced the same substandard injection the bike would be slammed and die a natural death in the showroom.

So back to 'Harley' if this ride is stacked up economically against the equivalent Japanese LAMS bike will it theoretically outsell the (possibly) superior Jap ride based on a badge?

[nzspokes]

An idea on price?

[AllanB]

An idea on price?

It's a Harley - take what it should be and add 15% for the badge!


Still think the 883 range should be $9999.99

[ducatilover]

I think it's cool, if priced right. The badge parts interests me not one bit, but a 60 deg 4V twin should (theoretically) fuel and ride much, much nicer than the narrower angle V twins out there, and sound like a semi-decent twin too.
But, I would be very, very surprised if it was priced like the mid-range and low tech learner commuter bike it is.

I don't know if HD "needs" bikes like this, but it gives me hope, small capacity V twins need a serious kick up the arse, we may see better bikes with the competition?

Has anybody got any actual specs, not marketing bullshit? I imagine 40-45hp from the 500 and 60hp from the 750, with such super low peak power figures, they should be nice and torquey.

I shall ride one when they arrive, await my criticism

[Big Dave]

The blurb on the link says it sounds like a Harley...

Can't see it though, only smallish capacity V twin with a deep note that I can think of is the VTR250. Dunno why that is, things sound like a Ducati with a straight pipe on 'em though.

Semantics - If the thing is made by Acme ergo it sounds like an Acme. They didn't say which Acme.

'Trust me, I'm in advertising.'

[Drew]

That's a decent cover of "Come Together" too.

No, it isn't.

[Monkfish]

I don't know if HD "needs" bikes like this, but it gives me hope, small capacity V twins need a serious kick up the arse, we may see better bikes with the competition?

Has anybody got any actual specs, not marketing bullshit? I imagine 40-45hp from the 500 and 60hp from the 750, with such super low peak power figures, they should be nice and torquey.

I shall ride one when they arrive, await my criticism

For the 500 to fit in with lams it will have to be around 30-33hp depending on the weight of the bike

No, it isn't.

That is a sick Cover!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Semantics - If the thing is made by Acme ergo it sounds like an Acme. They didn't say which Acme.

My friend Wile E. Coyote is very interested in this Acme product of yours.

[Ender EnZed]

For the 500 to fit in with lams it will have to be around 30-33hp depending on the weight of the bike

The Harley specs page gives a wet weight of 218kg. Using that figure it could have up to 62hp and still be LAMS legal.