F1 and F2 or Superbike and Supersport for Nationals

**wharfy** · 7th November 2013, 11:08

So..
The consensus seems that the Nats aren't actually "broken" and if you want to do the Nats it will be a great experience, so "just do it !" as the sneaker add says

A "privateer" class to run in conjunction with Superbike and Supersport classes could be introduced without upsetting any applecarts which would:

Make it easier for club racers to get into the Nats
Generate a bit more revenue for the clubs running the round

Would there be some sort of acceptance criteria - say:

an entrant must have done a certain number of races at the club level in the class in the last 12 months ?
an entrant must provide evidence they can lap at 115% of the current champ at whatever tracks they normally race on ?
their bike has to be black ? (OK maybe colour can be open - even though the only REAL colour for motorcycles is BLACK )

As far as I am aware there is NO acceptance criteria a prospective competitor has to meet currently (apart from having a full competition licence ) is that correct ?

**Drew** · 7th November 2013, 11:17

Originally Posted by wharfy

As far as I am aware there is NO acceptance criteria a prospective competitor has to meet currently (apart from having a full competition licence ) is that correct ?

Read the rule changes mate.

Must have three stamps in your log book, from within the last twelve months in the class you want to compete in, for nats or streets.

To sum up, are you gonna be able to do Wanganui?

**Drew** · 7th November 2013, 11:18

Oh yeah, unless you get Billy to sign off that you can ride un squid like.

**wharfy** · 7th November 2013, 12:32

Originally Posted by Drew

Read the rule changes mate.

Must have three stamps in your log book, from within the last twelve months in the class you want to compete in, for nats or streets.

To sum up, are you gonna be able to do Wanganui?

Yep I'll be OK - I knew about the street race criteria - but either missed or forgot about the Nats - it's a good move.

**Drew** · 7th November 2013, 12:37

No word on taking TAB money?..anyone?

Could attract some serious sponsorship deals for the good guys/girls too.

**scott411** · 7th November 2013, 12:38

Originally Posted by Drew

No word on taking TAB money?..anyone?

Could attract some serious sponsorship deals for the good guys/girls too.

I am not sure if MNZ has ever taken money on NZ championships, but they do get a kick back from the money put on Motogp,

Speedway NZ do let teh TAB into some of the championship meetings, and get a tidy little return off it,

**budda** · 7th November 2013, 13:08

Originally Posted by scott411

I am not sure if MNZ has ever taken money on NZ championships, but they do get a kick back from the money put on Motogp,

Speedway NZ do let teh TAB into some of the championship meetings, and get a tidy little return off it,

DID have an evening discussion about this very subject with the Leader a couple of years back Scotty - will do some follow-up, cant remember what conclusion we came too !

DO remember we both agreed that the potential income was a good thing though ........

**scott411** · 7th November 2013, 14:07

Originally Posted by budda

DID have an evening discussion about this very subject with the Leader a couple of years back Scotty - will do some follow-up, cant remember what conclusion we came too !

DO remember we both agreed that the potential income was a good thing though ........

I can see some good things to it as well, but by itself its not a solution, with out the rest of the package its only another thing to look after,

now if we were racing at the trotting club in a couple of weeks, with everything onsite, it could have been a hell of a time

**budda** · 7th November 2013, 14:41

Originally Posted by scott411

I can see some good things to it as well, but by itself its not a solution, with out the rest of the package its only another thing to look after,

now if we were racing at the trotting club in a couple of weeks, with everything onsite, it could have been a hell of a time

Facility rental was more than your grog bill for the weekend, that put paid to THAT .......
VERY short-sighted on their part IMO

**scott411** · 7th November 2013, 14:42

Originally Posted by budda

Facility rental was more than your grog bill for the weekend, that put paid to THAT .......
VERY short-sighted on their part IMO

have heard the story, disgusting really, but what do we really expect from horse people,

**budda** · 7th November 2013, 15:05

Originally Posted by scott411

have heard the story, disgusting really, but what do we really expect from horse people,

To be fair, some very good folks involved - sometimes the commonsense fairy misses the target though

**Robert Taylor** · 7th November 2013, 17:00

Originally Posted by budda

DID have an evening discussion about this very subject with the Leader a couple of years back Scotty - will do some follow-up, cant remember what conclusion we came too !

DO remember we both agreed that the potential income was a good thing though ........

Thats because Jack was also involved in your discussion........................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**300weatherby** · 7th November 2013, 19:30

Originally Posted by Billy

Mmmmm,

EXCEPT,The competitors feedback on Pro Twins and Superstock 600 is that they don't bother because they are lumped in with another class and nobody knows when they win a race,So theres no point,I guess on that basis,Its a personal choice and may or may not work,That said,Its not going to interfere with anything else that I can see so wouldn't be a major problem to introduce.

Then bloody well unlump them.

You can add extra days and races, then you can seperate existing classes. I know a bunch of guys would jump straight in if that were the case, including me. Can't be fucked with the Nationals for exactly this reason, the cost and agravation involved are not mitigated by opportunity.

One hook never considered to help increase grid numbers is changing the national standings to match the point score system, instead of a number one through ten ranking, have a one through fifteen ranking, given points are scored down to fifteenth place........ I'd be inclined to come back myself if that were the case despite classes lumped together.(refering to 600's being only one class)

There you go, help yourself to a constructive possibility instead of all the myopic navel gazing, covering the same ground over and over.

Oh, and you could do something about reducing the costs MNZ load onto the competitors too, funny how just like most other sports, the administration manages to make it all about them, as the administation gets comfortable sitting in ivory castles.........

On the subject of cost, just how hard would it be to have a "control tyre"? and sort a national level buy for everyone to significantly reduce tyre cost- the tyre manufacturors competing for the right to supply would be rather appealing (just leave Continental out though!). Only some people have tyre deals and can run around on good rubber, so sort one deal for all

There

**Billy** · 7th November 2013, 19:46

Originally Posted by 300weatherby

Then bloody well unlump them.

You can add extra days and races, then you can seperate existing classes. I know a bunch of guys would jump straight in if that were the case, including me. Can't be fucked with the Nationals for exactly this reason, the cost and agravation involved are not mitigated by opportunity.

One hook never considered to help increase grid numbers is changing the national standings to match the point score system, instead of a number one through ten ranking, have a one through fifteen ranking, given points are scored down to fifteenth place........ I'd be inclined to come back myself if that were the case despite classes lumped together.(refering to 600's being only one class)

There you go, help yourself to a constructive possibility instead of all the myopic navel gazing, covering the same ground over and over.

Oh, and you could do something about reducing the costs MNZ load onto the competitors too, funny how just like most other sports, the administration manages to make it all about them, as the administation gets comfortable sitting in ivory castles.........

On the subject of cost, just how hard would it be to have a "control tyre"? and sort a national level buy for everyone to significantly reduce tyre cost- the tyre manufacturors competing for the right to supply would be rather appealing (just leave Continental out though!). Only some people have tyre deals and can run around on good rubber, so sort one deal for all

There

Nice troll,But its so full of the usual KB rubbish,I won't lower the tone of the thread by entering into your anti MNZ rant,Have a nice life!!!