Drug testing?

[ducatilover]

I agree with the drug testing idea. I do understand the presence of THC doesn't have to mean the person is impaired, which can be an issue. If it were legal it would be a.different story I suppose.

Having worked in mental health and seen the long term effects of many kinds of substance use, and abuse, I would advise against heavy pot smoking. But that's another thread, which has been done to death and all the speculative and supposed facts have already been shared, and it is still an illegal substance. Get the the fuck over it.

[scrivy]

I can't wait to get on a 747 next time and hope like hell my pilot is stoned.......


Keep 'intoxicated' people off the track.
Or if they want to do it, let them do track days by themselves, just not around me or my friends.

[Tony.OK]

We need to hold the individual user responsible for their own actions, and stop passing the blame. If I fuck up, then I am willing to admit fault and accept the repercussions, rather than using society as a scapegoat. If people are addicted to gambling, then it's THEIR fault, not the pokies. No one forced the gambler to gamble. They CHOOSE to gamble. If people drink too much alcohol and cause problems, again, it was their CHOICE to drink alcohol and act like a complete fuckwit.

Choice being the key word here.................its really simple, if ya choose to race, then you'll have to choose to not take drugs. Who cares how or what tests they use, if the choice to race was made then you'll accept that test will be carried out.

Better to accept a test before a "fuck up" happens that could involve others.

Seeing as this is about testing in racing that's all that needs to be said really.

All about CHOICE eh?

[SMOKEU]

I'm all for legalising weed, but this topic is about testing, not legalising.

As it stands weed is illegal, the government has deemed it as a harmful substance with risks associated with consumption (whether medical or social). As an entity SNZ are required to represent racers to promote the sport, assist running meetings and do their best to ensure any action to improve chances of safety are taken.

SNZ is not big enough to conduct studies and determine if a certain level of THC is safe or not, nor should it be their issue. There is no line to draw because any level will be challenged. If they say you must have below x.xxg/L of THC in your system to race, the police would rape SNZ in court if they investigate a crash.

The current rule is zero tolerance. Same with alcohol. If a racer blows a 0.001 on the breathalyzer they get a 12 month ban.

If the rider is hungover from a heavy alcohol drinking session the night before, then they might not have any alcohol in their breath, yet they will certainly be impaired in some way, possibly to a more significant extent than if they had been smoking dope just before the race. How do you propose to legislate against that?

I can't wait to get on a 747 next time and hope like hell my pilot is stoned.......

As long as the PIC is "straight", then if the FO is a bit peeled and they're the PF then it doesn't really matter, as the PIC can take over at any stage. If they're doing a complicated instrument approach then it's probably best not to be high though, as the chances of fucking up will be a bit high. Although I'm sure the Cunts Against Aviation would have something to say about that, but they're always out to be a buzz kill.

[haydes55]

If they were hung over, they would show above 0.001 BAC.

No one can legislate against every threat, but drugs are very easy to legislate against and enforce.

Several officials also have the power to remove anyone from racing if it is an issue of safety. People have been put on the trailer whilst 100% sober.

[scrivy]

As long as the PIC is "straight", then if the FO is a bit peeled and they're the PF then it doesn't really matter, as the PIC can take over at any stage. If they're doing a complicated instrument approach then it's probably best not to be high though, as the chances of fucking up will be a bit high. Although I'm sure the Cunts Against Aviation would have something to say about that, but they're always out to be a buzz kill.

Okay, I'll rephrase what I said.... I hope both my pilots are stoned....... that'll make me feel better when I'm next flying..... NOT!

I was a commercial pilot for a few years. If my FO was peeled, I wouldn't have gotten off the ground. Period. There's levels of redundancy in aviation for a reason......
Instrument approaches are about 100 times easier to do, than controlling un-expected problems on the fly.

Keep the 'under the influence' people of the track. Simple.

[Katman]

Keep the 'under the influence' people of the track. Simple.

I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting that people should be allowed on the track 'under the influence'.

As I've already said though, the presence of THC does not necessarily indicate impairment.

[nodrog:Me]

this thread is full of rocket surgeons.

If you want to race - don't take drugs, its the rules.

I just had a full medical including drug test for a job interview. I didn't wank on about the flawed tests or my rights to smoke crack in my spare time, cos its the rules.

Doing something often results in not being able to do something else, its called life, some people should get one.

[scrivy]

this thread is full of rocket surgeons. Brain Scientists actually....
If you want to race - don't take drugs, its the rules.

I just had a full medical including drug test for a job interview. I didn't wank on about the flawed tests or my rights to smoke crack in my spare time, cos its the rules.

Doing something often results in not being able to do something else, its called life, some people should get one.

Did ya have to wank into a specimen pot......???

[Stirts]

Did ya have to wank into a specimen pot......???

It's my pink fortress thank you very much!

[SMOKEU]

this thread is full of rocket surgeons.

If you want to race - don't take drugs, its the rules.

I just had a full medical including drug test for a job interview. I didn't wank on about the flawed tests or my rights to smoke crack in my spare time, cos its the rules.

Doing something often results in not being able to do something else, its called life, some people should get one.

Out of interest, is it a "dangerous" job involving the transport industry, forestry or heavy machinery?

[Madness]

this thread is full of rocket surgeons.

If you want to race - don't take drugs, its the rules.

I just had a full medical including drug test for a job interview. I didn't wank on about the flawed tests or my rights to smoke crack in my spare time, cos its the rules.

Doing something often results in not being able to do something else, its called life, some people should get one.

I've heard it's getting a lot harder to get a job at Macca's. Good luck

[Drew]

I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting that people should be allowed on the track 'under the influence'.

Really? Because it fucken sure sounds like you and some other cunts are.

As I've already said though, the presence of THC does not necessarily indicate impairment.

No, it doesn't. However, unless one of you stoner types can come up with a conclusive test to prove no impairment, don't smoke or don't race.

This isn't that complicated an issue, I am not surprised by some of the fucken morons wanking on about their right to smoke weed though.

Test away, and completely ban anyone found to have drugs in their system for a year. No matter what the drug is. Cunts be risking my life? Fuck that shit. You know most life insurance policies wont pay out if you die competing in motorsport aye?

[haydes55]

Really? Because it fucken sure sounds like you and some other cunts are.

No, it doesn't. However, unless one of you stoner types can come up with a conclusive test to prove no impairment, don't smoke or don't race.

This isn't that complicated an issue, I am not surprised by some of the fucken morons wanking on about their right to smoke weed though.

Test away, and completely ban anyone found to have drugs in their system for a year. No matter what the drug is. Cunts be risking my life? Fuck that shit. You know most life insurance policies wont pay out if you die competing in motorsport aye?

a health insurance guy actually came to 2 speedway meetings. Half the club signed up. They now no longer insure speedway people haha... Unless you never cancel your insurance.

No organisation, dedicated to rider safety should ever have to make allowances for illegal activities.

[Madness]

Fuck you cunts are thick.