Drug testing?

[Akzle]

Do you want the mechanic on your car to have had a big night before he works on your car?

I often do... Occasionally i smoke joints while rebuilding brakes and shit.

Total number of times ive died to date while, or because of, being high =0

[Madness]

Are you losing focus? That's a poor effort.

Far from it. In fact this is in keeping with my previous posts in this thread, just very short & no big words, just for you & 'spokes.

Whether or not the test is conclusive in determining if someone is 'under the influence', is moot.

Participants are warned they may be tested for drugs. They have, no less, agreed in a formal contract NOT to be under the influence at the race track. That there is no test for sobriety, but only for presence is not MNZs fault or problem.

Yeah, nah. You say that participants have agreed to not be under the influence, yet it's fine that they then be subjected to a test method that cannot prove whether or not they are under the influence. Smells like a giant pile of steaming bullshit to me.

That logic would have people incarcerated for crimes they didn't commit. Oh, wait

[skippa1]

I often do... Occasionally i smoke joints while rebuilding brakes and shit.

Total number of times ive died to date while, or because of, being high =0

Last I heard your bike didn't even move......why rebuild the brakes.......and doesn't matter if it doesn't stop when it doesn't go...

[Drew]

Far from it. In fact this is in keeping with my previous posts in this thread, just very short & no big words, just for you & 'spokes.



Yeah, nah. You say that participants have agreed to not be under the influence, yet it's fine that they then be subjected to a test method that cannot prove whether or not they are under the influence. Smells like a giant pile of steaming bullshit to me.

So, you don't have a problem with MNZ testing for racers being under the influence. I'm glad we both agree that there's nothing wrong with it.

The only thing left then, why should the governing body of the sport be responsible of finding a way to tell if a participant is or is not under the influence?

The test is not actually suited to answer the question. This is a given. I will say it along side you till the cows come home if you like. Bring a guitar and we'll have a fucken sing along. I'll write the words down so you don't forget them. But since the activity itself is not legal, you don't have an argument at all I'm afraid. Our laws say that no, you don't have the right to do it. Be you under the influence at race time or not.

[Katman]

No, it doesn't. However, unless one of you stoner types can come up with a conclusive test to prove no impairment, don't smoke or don't race.

Come now Drew, you know the closest I'd come to a track is standing beside it yelling at you lot to slow down just a bit.

[Madness]

So, you don't have a problem with MNZ testing for racers being under the influence. I'm glad we both agree that there's nothing wrong with it.

See, you're not such a thick cunt, just extremely slow or lacking in comprehension skills.

The only thing left then, why should the governing body of the sport be responsible of finding a way to tell if a participant is or is not under the influence?

Because rather than it being moot, as you suggested earlier, "impairment" is the entire crux of the situation. Indeterminate testing methods serve nobody or nothing, other than lining the pockets of the cunts at NZDDA.

The test is not actually suited to answer the question. This is a given.

So get a test that answers the question then.

I will say it along side you till the cows come home if you like. Bring a guitar and we'll have a fucken sing along. I'll write the words down so you don't forget them.

Alan might get jealous.

But since the activity itself is not legal, you don't have an argument at all I'm afraid. Our laws say that no, you don't have the right to do it. Be you under the influence at race time or not.

Again, when did MNZ become assigned with upholding the laws of this country? What's next, check racers criminal records? Check for outstanding fines before you're allowed in pit lane? Maybe you'd like them to check the WOF & rego of all the cars in the carpark too because we all know that unregistered vehicles can kill.

[Drew]

Come now Drew, you know the closest I'd come to a track is standing beside it yelling at you lot to slow down just a bit.

Yell at the other guys to slow down a bit, we ran mid to rear of the pack last time out.

See, you're not such a thick cunt, just extremely slow or lacking in comprehension skills.

I fully understood you from your first post. You on the other hand are deliberately (I think) ignoring my point.

Because rather than it being moot, as you suggested earlier, "impairment" is the entire crux of the situation. Indeterminate testing methods serve nobody or nothing, other than lining the pockets of the cunts at NZDDA.

It covers the collective arse of MNZ too.

So get a test that answers the question then.

You do it. I'm fine with the testing as it is.

Alan might get jealous.

We have a new sing along song for every trip. He'll be cool with it.

Again, when did MNZ become assigned with upholding the laws of this country? What's next, check racers criminal records? Check for outstanding fines before you're allowed in pit lane? Maybe you'd like them to check the WOF & rego of all the cars in the carpark too because we all know that unregistered vehicles can kill.

They are required by the terms of their insurer I think you'll find, to do what they can to ensure as safe an environment as possible. That they or their members don't agree with a certain aspect of the perceived safety is again, moot when it boils down to the legal system.

I don't agree that safety boots make me safer on a building site. But don't wear them, and I don't work.

[Akzle]

Last I heard your bike didn't even move......why rebuild the brakes.......and doesn't matter if it doesn't stop when it doesn't go...

you high bro?

Was talkn bout cars...

[Madness]

You do it. I'm fine with the testing as it is.

Yeah, nah. I have no vested interest in this subject matter either, never been on a race track & prolly never will. It's the internets, where everyone has an opinion. It's still bullshit though & I feel sad for the guys who race that might enjoy the occasional puff yet take responsibility for their actions & abstain a few days prior.

Cannabis will be decriminalised in this country soon enough & I'll laugh at all the doomsdayers. What a waste of fucking time & money. Good thing all you racers are fucking loaded, innit?

[skippa1]

you high bro?

Was talkn bout cars...

You gotta car?

[Drew]

Yeah, nah. I have no vested interest in this subject matter either, never been on a race track & prolly never will. It's the internets, where everyone has an opinion. It's still bullshit though & I feel sad for the guys who race that might enjoy the occasional puff yet take responsibility for their actions & abstain a few days prior.

Cannabis will be decriminalised in this country soon enough & I'll laugh at all the doomsdayers. What a waste of fucking time & money. Good thing all you racers are fucking loaded, innit?

This raises an interesting point. Before it ever could be decriminalised, a test for 'influence' would need to be created. Because of how stupidly long the stuff takes to leave a smokers system, lisence numbers would plummet...Not that that's a bad thing.

So I wouldn't start growing a crop just yet fella.

Yeah, we're rich as all fuck! It's why we mostly get to have real drugs, and not the pesants crap like you smoke.

You gotta car?

It's more of a mobile shanty.

[Madness]

This raises an interesting point. Before it ever could be decriminalised, a test for 'influence' would need to be created. Because of how stupidly long the stuff takes to leave a smokers system, lisence numbers would plummet...Not that that's a bad thing.

So I wouldn't start growing a crop just yet fella.

Yeah, we're rich as all fuck! It's why we mostly get to have real drugs, and not the pesants crap like you smoke.

Fuck, you're more deluded than I realised. You seriously believe that any change to the legal classification of Cannabis use would revolve around the development of a test for impairment? News-flash! The popo have the legal ability to conduct road-side drug impairment tests right now, have done for several years. It doesn't involve any piss tests though as these have been identified to be inconclusive to show actual impairment. The Aussies have mouth swab tests at road-side but I'm picking the current mass media brainwash campaign needs to run it's course a bit longer before any political party is prepared to introduce this here.

Peasants crap? Did I sell you some cabbage at some point? Good fucking job, hope you choked on it.

I trust you'll be lining up for a test next time you're at the track then?

[Drew]

Fuck, you're more deluded than I realised. You seriously believe that any change to the legal classification of Cannabis use would revolve around the development of a test for impairment? News-flash! The popo have the legal ability to conduct road-side drug impairment tests right now, have done for several years. It doesn't involve any piss tests though as these have been identified to be inconclusive to show actual impairment. The Aussies have mouth swab tests at road-side but I'm picking the current mass media brainwash campaign needs to run it's course a bit longer before any political party is prepared to introduce this here.

Peasants crap? Did I sell you some cabbage at some point? Good fucking job, hope you choked on it.

I trust you'll be lining up for a test next time you're at the track then?

You're a bit of a scone doer, aren't ya 'Smokey'?

I don't recall saying it would revolve around the testing thereof. I said I thought it was interesting to me that levels would need to be set with accurate measuring devices.

[Madness]

I don't recall saying it would revolve around the testing thereof. I said I thought it was interesting to me that levels would need to be set with accurate measuring devices.

Put the pipe down & take that cock out of your mouth.

Before it ever could be decriminalised, a test for 'influence' would need to be created.

[Akzle]

You gotta car?

3 or 4, hactually.