Drug testing?

**Madness** · 9th November 2013, 21:38

Originally Posted by malcy25

True, but the THC reading could be a result of a lighting a cleansack full an hour ago too. Simple really, any reading, bye bye.

None of the testing is about impairment testing, it's an objective test, yes/no, is/isn't on the basis of there being no ability to determine how long ago and what influence. So any reading could be a precursor or indicator of impairment.

A swab test isn't going to flag yes for consumption that occurred weeks prior, therefore making it a more objective test if the purpose of testing is truly about safety. Overlooking this option and opting for the napalm approach based purely on personal opinions towards Cannabis use is unethical, end of story. If you seriously think that anyone is likely to be lining up on a racetrack an hour after smoking "a cleansack full" of Cannabis then maybe it's you who is on drugs?

Originally Posted by malcy25

I'm a long time racer any testing protocol which weeds this shit out is fine by me.

Personally, I think drugs are for douches trying to hide from something called life.

Opinions are like arseholes and you & Drew are entitled to yours, no matter how narrow-minded they may be. If being a member of SNZ, MNZ or any other amateur sport body involves that body having a say in what you choose to do in the privacy of your own home whilst not affecting anybody else, I say fuck that.

**lukemillar** · 10th November 2013, 07:17

At the end of the day, it doesn't actually matter whether someone is impaired or not. Any drug use compromises the integrity of the sport. period. Therefore any governing body MUST take a zero tolerance stance on drug use. What prospective sponsor wants to associate their product/business with a sport that says "it's ok for competitors to take drugs, just don't do it too close to the event" ?

**nodrog:Me** · 10th November 2013, 08:12

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

Then why did you agree to a drug test in the first place? .....

Um, because it is the rules and it is what is required if I wish to work there.

Last time I looked, taking drugs is still illegal. If a person was caught and convicted, that conviction would stand 24/7 not just in the employee's own personal time. That conviction would restrict travel to other countries for work, etc. Why should an employer risk investing time and resources in somebody that could potentially become useless to them. The test isn't solely based on whether you will be impaired while at work.

Yeah its pretty shitty, and illegal substances and me used to be bestest friends. And I couldn't give a shit what other people do in their spare time. But I have learnt, in order to do something I wish to do (whether it be racing or employment) something else has to be given up.

So if you want to race, be willing to take a drug/alcohol test without whinging about it.

Its pretty simple really.

You cant have your coke and eat it.

**Drew** · 10th November 2013, 08:25

Originally Posted by Madness

The popo here prosecute based on a roadside physical test for impairment that doesn't involve the taking of bodily samples (tippy-toe ten paces, watch the moving finger, etc) whilst the Australian popos use the swab tests that were mentioned in the OP. I'm not aware of any law enforcement agencies who insist on roadside piss-tests, probably because the science is fundamentally flawed and to prosecute on such testing would be unethical.

You know, I reckon that if some of you drama queens actually took the time to read posts properly, threads such as this one would probably die before they hit page 3. Still, thanks for the entertainment.

You haven't actually answered my question. I know why you haven't of course.

The swap test still shows up traces whether a person is under the influence or not. It does not give a level. Pissed testing gives a level, and it still doesn't have relevance to influence.

Even if they did. There is no standard for what level is actually defined as influence.

So you, condescending fucking moron, tell me again how thick you think I am because your right to smoke drugs isn't being allowed for in MY sport.

**skippa1** · 10th November 2013, 08:32

Originally Posted by nodrog

Um, because it is the rules and it is what is required if I wish to work there.

Last time I looked, taking drugs is still illegal. If a person was caught and convicted, that conviction would stand 24/7 not just in the employee's own personal time. That conviction would restrict travel to other countries for work, etc. Why should an employer risk investing time and resources in somebody that could potentially become useless to them. The test isn't solely based on whether you will be impaired while at work.

Yeah its pretty shitty, and illegal substances and me used to be bestest friends. And I couldn't give a shit what other people do in their spare time. But I have learnt, in order to do something I wish to do (whether it be racing or employment) something else has to be given up.

So if you want to race, be willing to take a drug/alcohol test without whinging about it.

Its pretty simple really.

You cant have your coke and eat it.

You summed that up very elloqunitly

**Madness** · 10th November 2013, 08:53

Originally Posted by lukemillar

At the end of the day, it doesn't actually matter whether someone is impaired or not. Any drug use compromises the integrity of the sport...

Bullshit. It's been happening for decades already, how has the sport been compromised at all?

**Madness** · 10th November 2013, 08:57

Originally Posted by Drew

You haven't actually answered my question. I know why you haven't of course.

The swap test still shows up traces whether a person is under the influence or not. It does not give a level. Pissed testing gives a level, and it still doesn't have relevance to influence.

Even if they did. There is no standard for what level is actually defined as influence.

So you, condescending fucking moron, tell me again how thick you think I am because your right to smoke drugs isn't being allowed for in MY sport.

My internet is down today & I'm not about to waste mobile data on the likes of an ignorant cunt such as yourself beyond this post. Carry on like the petulant child that you so clearly are & have a nice day!

**jellywrestler** · 10th November 2013, 09:48

Originally Posted by Madness

My internet is down today & I'm not about to waste mobile data on the likes of an ignorant cunt such as yourself beyond this post. Carry on like the petulant children that you so clearly are & have a nice day!

you're not one of Edbear's sons are you?

**Madness** · 10th November 2013, 09:57

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

you're not one of Edbear's sons are you?

No relation at all, in fact I've never met the cunt. If you're still his distributor for sales he doesn't go direct on you're closer to the false messiah than I'll ever be.

Getting back to the OP, seeing that's the purpose of this discussion;

Swab testing for Cannabis: not ideal as it doesn't identify impairment. Does only pick up recent use however so probably quite reasonable & acceptable.

Piss testing for Cannabis: completely unacceptable as this can pick up residual traces that can relate to historic use that has no bearing on impairment & therefore safety. What a racer got up to 6 weeks prior to a race meet is none of the organising body's (or anyone else's for that matter) business. Law enforcement agencies, you know, those organisations actually tasked with enforcing our drug laws, don't use this method as it has been deemed unacceptable by our law-makers.

Fuck, it's so simple it's laughable.

**Drew** · 10th November 2013, 10:01

Originally Posted by Madness

No relation at all, in fact I've never met the cunt. If you're still his distributor for sales he doesn't go direct on you're closer to the false messiah than I'll ever be.

You fixed your internet then? Did you forget to turn it on this morning?

**Madness** · 10th November 2013, 10:11

Originally Posted by Drew

You fixed your internet then? Did you forget to turn it on this morning?

I'm really starting to think you have issues Drew. The internet & landline are down so I'm typing on a smartphone. I don't actually have to switch the internet on each day, that would be as retarded as you are.

**Drew** · 10th November 2013, 10:15

Originally Posted by Madness

I'm really starting to think you have issues Drew. The internet & landline are down so I'm typing on a smartphone. I don't actually have to switch the internet on each day, that would be as retarded as you are.

My mistake, for taking you at your word that you weren't going to waste your mobile data on this thread.

There are folk out there who turn routers off when they aren't using the net, for security. Does it surprise you to know that your way of doing things might not be the last word in everything?

**Madness** · 10th November 2013, 10:31

Originally Posted by Drew

My mistake, for taking you at your word that you weren't going to waste your mobile data on this thread.

Your comprehension skills have let you down once again Drew.

Originally Posted by Drew

There are folk out there who turn routers off when they aren't using the net, for security. Does it surprise you to know that your way of doing things might not be the last word in everything?

Good for them! It's nice to be able to do what you like in your own home whilst not affecting others, innit.

Sorry Drew but typing on a touch screen the size of your miniscule little brain isn't a lot of fun. Instead I think I'll smoke a huge joint & go for a spirited ride. Enjoy your day cock.

**Drew** · 10th November 2013, 10:42

Originally Posted by Madness

Your comprehension skills have let you down once again Drew.

Good for them! It's nice to be able to do what you like in your own home whilst not affecting others, innit.

Sorry Drew but typing on a touch screen the size of your miniscule little brain isn't a lot of fun. Instead I think I'll smoke a huge joint & go for a spirited ride. Enjoy your day cock.

Too funny. Enjoy your ride.