Drug testing?

[Drew]

But by opting for the piss test you're eliminating anyone who may have been impaired to any level within the six weeks or more prior. The test exceeds the requirements.



Again, the reference to needles. Do you seriously think that when you go to the track & you're amongst your peers that you're amongst hyper dermic drug-users? I've been around a little while & I'm yet to come across anyone who has a few hits of P through a syringe and in all my years I've only ever heard third-party reference to cocaine use. Look up some stats, you're waffling on about drug issues that simply don't exist in this country on any significant scale.



So use a test that is more relevant to identifying impairment at the time of the sample being taken then if drugs before racing is the issue.



There is no burden to ensure people can partake in illegal activities, just as there is probably no burden to drug test in the first place, other than for a duty of care which should be track-safety oriented rather than a lifestyle qualification. The NZ Police do not conduct roadside random piss testing for Cannabis, are they therefore "ensuring people can partake in illegal activities"?



Out of the options being discussed here, the same one I'm recommending now.



So don't throw it out, I can see how convenient it is from an administrative and cost perspective. A suggestion might be to offer an optional mouth swab test at the cost of the racer, to be taken at the same time as the piss sample. Kind of like Drew's suggestion earlier, but less retarded. If they fail the piss test for THC but pass the mouth swab test, perhaps leniency could be applied, all at no cost to the organisation and in the interests of safety & fairness to competitors who may have had an innocent puff of on a Class-C marijuana cigarette some 6 weeks prior?

NZDDA will love it! Their sales just went up by 20%. It should stop the moaning within the ranks & I'll shut the fuck up.

What ya reckon?

. Ignorance of the drugs available (and how fucking awesome 'Charlie' is if you know where to get it and have a house to mortgage to buy a couple grams) I suppose is to be expected by most in this country.

Might have seriously declined in quality in the ten years since I had any, Christ knows everything else around is fucken shit house.

[Madness]

. Ignorance of the drugs available (and how fucking awesome 'Charlie' is if you know where to get it and have a house to mortgage to buy a couple grams) I suppose is to be expected by most in this country.

Unless you're a speedway racer, apparently.

Might have seriously declined in quality in the ten years since I had any, Christ knows everything else around is fucken shit house.

Plenty of excellent buds around, apparently.

[Drew]

Unless you're a speedway racer, apparently.



Plenty of excellent buds around, apparently.

Don't doubt for a second man, that there are sponsors 'holding' in the scene.

I already said, I can't handle weed. I seriously don't like feeling wasted/blotto/unco. I get angry with myself as soon as cross that line with booze.

[Akzle]

fuck sake you jews, get a room.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Based on visiting presumably every speedway track but the one that this discussion relates to.

Besides, do you or anyone else really believe that a racer could be competing under the influence of Heroin, Cocaine, LSD, Ecstacy or Meth without it being blaringly obvious to all without the need for a test? Dunno 'bout you cunts but I can usually spot a junkie or a tweaker a lot easier than someone who's had a puff on a doob.

Fuck, is this prick still banging on!!! he must be well juiced eh?

Not happy with red repping me he's taken to PM-ing abuse now....what a cock (pot) smoker.

[Madness]

Fuck, is this prick still banging on!!! he must be well juiced eh?

Not happy with red repping me he's taken to PM-ing abuse now....what a cock (pot) smoker.

And of course there's been no abusive red-rep comments from yourself now, has there Graham? That would be a bit childish from somebody who purports to be the manager a 15 bed acute male admission and assessment unit in the regional secure hospital now, wouldn't it? (I corrected they typos in your job description too, seems you don't have to be able to spell to hold your job down).

I have a question for you. If you are correct in your assertion that all recreational Cannabis users at some stage end up in a regional secure hospital, then how the fuck do you manage with only 15 beds assuming there must be at least 10's of thousands of Cannabis users in Auckland alone? I'll tell you how, because you're full of shit, that's why. You no doubt see one extreme end of the spectrum, whilst I and many others on here alone represent the other end of the Cannabis spectrum, happily going about our daily lives, holding down proper jobs & paying taxes & enjoying meaningful lives with solid friends and families.

You sir are the epitome of Cannabis brain-washing. You simply cannot accept that Cannabis can be used responsibly without drastic effects on the user and society in general. Well Graham, you're wrong and there are thousands upon thousands of Kiwis who continue to prove you wrong each & every day.

Now fuck off back to the looney bin. Someone probably shat on the floor last night & you'll have to mop it up like a good little bitch. This is assuming you have nothing to actually add to the discussion topic here, which so far you haven't other than your attempt at rattling off a story-line from Days & Our Lives. You should get some better work stories "bro".

[scott411]

jsut to go down a different tangent,

I understand the need to get people high off recreational drugs off the circuit,

but the full drug testing regime also tests for drugs that are in normal cold and flu, or hay fever medicines, does anyone actually care if your competitor is using some hay fever meds that may have some baned PED in them? I know MNZ and SNZ sign up to the sport NZ charter, but having the same level of scrutiny as a olympic level cyclist or sprinter really necessary for the average motorcycles or speedway racer?

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

[QUOTE=Madness;1130636406]I have a question for you. If you are correct in your assertion that all recreational Cannabis users at some stage end up in a regional secure hospital, then how the fuck do you manage with only 15 beds assuming there must be at least 10's of thousands of Cannabis users in Auckland alone? I'll tell you how, because you're full of shit, that's why. You no doubt see one extreme end of the spectrum, whilst I and many others on here alone represent the other end of the Cannabis spectrum, happily going about our daily lives, holding down proper jobs & paying taxes & enjoying meaningful lives with solid friends and families.
QUOTE]

All of our 'customers' come from the court or the prisons buddy, all of the prisons have high needs areas and run a waiting list for a bed at 'my place' Have a gander at the prison (ever increasing) muster numbers and do the maths... oh Paremoremo is investing $17 million in a new wing to look after some of your friends. I know thats a big number, but your an 'A; grade student so should comprehend ok.

I wont be replying to anymore of your drug induced myopic ramblings, Drew's doing a good job of playing you like a fool

[Madness]

All of our 'customers' come from the court or the prisons buddy, all of the prisons have high needs areas and run a waiting list for a bed at 'my place' Have a gander at the prison (ever increasing) muster numbers and do the maths... oh Paremoremo is investing $17 million in a new wing to look after some of your friends. I know thats a big number, but your an 'A; grade student so should comprehend ok.

I wont be replying to anymore of your drug induced myopic ramblings, Drew's doing a good job of playing you like a fool

Delusional comes from a Latin word meaning "deceiving." So delusional thinking is kind of like deceiving yourself by believing outrageous things. Delusional thoughts are often a sign of mental illness, but the word can also be used more loosely to describe behavior that is just not realistic.

It seems you're in the best possible place Graham. Do take care, it must be stressful living with all those demons in your head.

[Katman]

Drew's doing a good job of playing you like a fool

Are we reading the same thread?

[Drew]

Are we reading the same thread?

Oi, fuck up you!

Engineering an argument without any possible mutually satisfying conclusion, is an art.

[haydes55]

jsut to go down a different tangent,



I understand the need to get people high off recreational drugs off the circuit,



but the full drug testing regime also tests for drugs that are in normal cold and flu, or hay fever medicines, does anyone actually care if your competitor is using some hay fever meds that may have some baned PED in them? I know MNZ and SNZ sign up to the sport NZ charter, but having the same level of scrutiny as a olympic level cyclist or sprinter really necessary for the average motorcycles or speedway racer?

A doctors note saying you are taking said drug for medical reasoning will be enough for an exemption for a not negative result from said drugs.

[Katman]

A doctors note saying you are taking said drug for medical reasoning will be enough for an exemption for a not negative result from said drugs.

So does the urine test show up the presence of the current batch of 'legal highs'?

[Drew]

So does the urine test show up the presence of the current batch of 'legal highs'?

If there's a test that does and piss testing doesn't, what is it?

If no one can provide an answer to that, it doesn't matter for the purposes of this discussion.

[scott411]

A doctors note saying you are taking said drug for medical reasoning will be enough for an exemption for a not negative result from said drugs.

but there are many over the counter remidies that contain banned SUBSTANCES, have you seen the list of every banned drug, its pretty dam long,

my point is, we are amatuer competitors, spending shit loads of money racing things in circles, if i take an over the counter hay fever tablet which has a banned Performance Enhancing Drug in it, its really no advantage, but could put a competitor out with a 2 year ban,

(and your 100K prize money figure is a bit over the top, show me one speedway meeting that pays that, about 50K is the highest i have seen since the Kihikihi Superstock Champs Debacle a few years ago)