Smoking habits?

[SMOKEU]

Thats the one.

Those things are totally awesome!

[onearmedbandit]

Is that like when you do spots the normal way, except the smoke travels through water before you inhale it? Like a hybrid spottle bong?

My method is a sip of water or gin/etc, the smoke will naturally bubble through as the subject inhales. Then you can either spit or swallow.

[SMOKEU]

My method is a sip of water or gin/etc, the smoke will naturally bubble through as the subject inhales. Then you can either spit or swallow.

I never thought of that, I must try it some time.

[unstuck]

I never thought of that, I must try it some time.

I dont believe you have never swallowed smokey.

[SMOKEU]

I dont believe you have never swallowed smokey.

I'm sure you'd like to find out.

[unstuck]

No thanks, if I was gonna get gay, it would be with a MAN.

[scissorhands]

The 1999 California NORML/MAPS study into smoking methods which poo pooed bongs over unfiltered joints, has been the subject of many incredulous thread starts within cannabis online communities.

And if one applies common sense, initial thoughts are that a water filter for smoking should offer users a better experience than hot particulate laden smoke from a paper enclosed tube ie cigarette or joint.

Bong or baung is a Thai word, made from bamboo, Hmong tribal lingo.
Water Filter Bongs are historically common in Asia and Africa.

With this in mind, a small team of Grey Lynn researches recently embarked on an study of water filter smoking utensils.

Findings suggest considerable health benefits from cooling and particulate filtration, really do put the bong ahead of its competitors in regards to harm minimisation.

The addition of frits, or a diffuser, can easily double or triple the effectiveness of a baung. Basically the smoke exiting the down stem into the bong water, is broken up into smaller bubbbles, this adds extra surface area of water to smoke.

The bong water discoloured much quicker with the addition of a diffuser at the base of the cone stem.

The belief that much thc is lost to the water is incorrect. Most passes through to the user, with losses greatest amongst high surface area utensils ie larger devices and models with hoses and bends. A bit like a manifold.

THC is non polar so does not disperse in water, which is polar. Most THC losses occur on the surface of the downstem and above the water, as THC likes to stick to hard surfaces more than water. However, these losses are minor compared to paper tube smoking losses.


Everyone believes the bull that bongs are more harmful than joints.

Tobacco wise too, I can see similar approx 50% harm reduction if water filtration is employed

The Grey Lynn team would like to recommend the addition of frits to any bong. No local stores in Auckland have these higher efficiency baungs, but adding small holes to the base of a metal downstem takes a few minutes.

Here is a new school baung, all glass with miltiple diffusers, some now even have multiple percolators



The addition of more diffusers [such as seen in image]may in fact further improve the smoking experience, though losses will rise with added dry surface areas.

Dont use diffuser beads in the water

Hot smoke exiting the downstem straight into plastic balls will pickup some plastic in the smoke, and THC losses will occur on the surface area of the plastic balls.

Correct use of a good waterbong may be less harmful than a poorly used vapouriser which has hot air passing through long plastic hoses and sometimes balloons. Some portable vaporisers have synthetic heating chambers, and most have plastic hoses that break down as hot smoke degrades them.

The dedicated Grey Lynn team is looking for others advice regarding water in the filtering chamber. Milk would increase losses as the fat content would pull THC from the passing smoke.

Also for tobacco, what liquids could be used?
Herbs such as rose oils or eucalypti could be added to the water? More extensive research is needed.

[Banditbandit]

Yeah mate .. and when you get short, you can clean out the bong - which gives you an oil-like residue that makes excellent smoke smeared on papers like oil ...

[Akzle]

Also for tobacco, what liquids could be used?
Herbs such as rose oils or eucalypti could be added to the water? More extensive research is needed.

used to do raro buckies. Fuken hate raro now tho.
Orange juice would be an interesting one. Somewhere twixt vit c and acid would have interesting effect?

As for oils in the water, i say no. Thc will stick to em. And, some may be harmful as vapour.

Research? Grab me a half o, ill be down tomorow eve!

[Banditbandit]

Somewhere twixt vit c and acid would have interesting effect?

Why waste acid in the water in a bong? You're never going to get any into your system that way ...

[scissorhands]

Yeah mate .. and when you get short, you can clean out the bong - which gives you an oil-like residue that makes excellent smoke smeared on papers like oil ...

I washed out the downstem with meths, evaporated it in the sun and was left with a blackish resin. Had potency but not a great deal, and was kinda smelly and full of tars.

used to do raro buckies. Fuken hate raro now tho.
Orange juice would be an interesting one. Somewhere twixt vit c and acid would have interesting effect?

As for oils in the water, i say no. Thc will stick to em. And, some may be harmful as vapour.

Research? Grab me a half o, ill be down tomorow eve!

You got me thinking about sugars and salts, dead sea salt or epsom salt. Vitamin C is said to sober a stoner up. Would bong liquid high in Vitamin C neutralise the affect of drugs? In the body Vitamin C would promote detoxification.

The main objective is to filter out tars, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, etc and all the harmful unwanteds in the smoke whilst leaving the THC. Then as for tobacco, I imagine whatever additives are added to bong water, to have similar effects on all smoked herbs incuding salvia divinorum.

Muddy clay water would be a powerful detoxifier too. Carbon filters.... adding carbon to water..... charcoal crushed in water....

Something may act like Velcro to un/wanted carbon based gases and tar vapours, but many will crave the head spinny narcotic affects of carbon based smoke vapours, and the experience of hot unfiltered smoke.

Removing components of whole smoke whilst adding unrelated matter in the water, means more research is needed

[Akzle]

nah thats getting too technical. Whats the point?
Demineralised water. Though, the mag sulfate is good for you. Maybe try with sea water! Not from akl tho. That shits toxic.

Thc is fat soluble, thus my anti oils. Fat being a similar emulsion.

As for the meths, lots of bittrex? Added so people dont drink it. Isoprop would do better.

Like i said bro, get the oz and ill do all the research you want =D

[Maha]

The money NOT spent of smokes over the last four years (between us) equals $40K. Expenditure was the prime reason for me personally giving it up.

[Zedder]

The money NOT spent of smokes over the last four years (between us) equals $40K. Expenditure was the prime reason for me personally giving it up.

Good savings there alright, converted to bike purchase ability etc it's very worth it not to mention the health aspects.

I've even got into the habit of thinking about the amounts of fuel I can buy instead of other things lol.

And no, I'm not getting at you others.

[Maha]

Good savings there alright, converted to bike purchase ability etc it's very worth it not to mention the health aspects.

I've even got into the habit of thinking about the amounts of fuel I can buy instead of other things lol.

And no, I'm not getting at you others.

I have never looked at it as a saving because the money not spent on smokes is used for other things, yes like helping with a new bike purchase.
I don't drink alcohol much either, maybe a beer with a Pizza but that's about it nowadays. The only time I really drink is when we are at the camp for two weeks in Jan'.
In saying that, there is always beer in the fridge downstairs.

Haven't touched weed since the late 70's, it's my view that low self esteem is attached to a good percentage of drug users.